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A Hawick Word Book by Douglas Scott PDF

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THE ANNALS OF A BORDER CLUB: GEORGE TANCRED 1899 P.149

 

The Douglas, Elliot, and Scott are concentrated near Hawick, originally spelled Scottish ‘Haik’, pronounce in English as ‘hoik’. Example of a Hawick dialect.

‘Scocha” Scott-Chapman, pronounced ‘Scotia’ of Hawick.

From ‘older brother’:

A Hawick Word Book Douglas Scott

Robert Elwald 10th Redheugh-Larriston land obtained from Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’ Douglas ‘Angus’, with approval of Scot & Ker.

Margaret Eliott of Redheugh is our 29th chief, her father Sir Arthur Eliott of Stobs was instrumental in the establishment of the Elliot Clan Society, returning lands of Redheugh, first obtained from Archibald Douglas (Red Douglas), 5th earl of Angus, in the 15th century.

 

James Elwald in 1526 did not kill Cessford, and start a feud between Buccleuch and Cessford which is still going on to this day. With Cessford in the past being of North British Windpower NBW, trying to place a wind farm called Windy Edge of Infinis now Muirhall, near the Hermitage Castle which Buccleuch, does not own, but stewards for the prosperity of all. It is like placing a wind farm on the ancient grounds of Roxburgh, which is easily prevented by Cessford, the Duke of Roxburghe because he owns these lands. James Elwald was a traitor to James V, which dishonestly, hung Johnny Armstrong, of Gilnockie-Hollows tower, and that is what it shows James Elwald in 1526 being hung for. One has to be kind of proud of James Elwald of 1526 these days. “The contract for the purchase of Stobs is dated June 3, 1580, and is expressed to be made between ‘Gawane Ellot of Baillilie’ and Gawin Glaidstanes, brother and heir-apparent to the deceased George Glaidstanes of Stobbes.” The Border Elliots and the Family of Minto By George Francis Scott Elliot pages 242-3 Ch XV The Ellot (ie earlier Elwald), obtained Stobs in the Barony of Cavers, in 1580.
http://named.publicprofiler.org/
A Hawick (pronounced “hoik”) Word Book http://www.astro.ubc.ca/people/scott/book.pdf by Douglas Scott (note; forename is “Douglas”) [DRAFT — version of 29 December 2017] [send comments to dscott‘‘AT’’astro.ubc.ca]
WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT THE HAWICK ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOCIETY.. “ Not really about archaeology, but a fantastic way to unearth information about the history of the area around Hawick, in the heart of the Scottish Borders. The huge number of articles in the Society’s Transactions form an unparalleled view of the traditions, language and people of this area. And since so many families can trace their roots back here, it represents a genealogical goldmine! ” Douglas Scott
https://books.google.com/books?id=88wGAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA32&lpg=RA1-PA32&dq=Hermitage+earl+of+angus&source=bl&ots=TOjj_OzZ91&sig=vopIbYtTfgGePX5w7CnCaA0wVHo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_wrTW17fYAhVC3GMKHchPDqIQ6AEIWjAI#v=onepage&q&f=false
Being a Douglas, thought you may be interested. Know you are familiar with the given site, but others may not be, so this link is given; http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Places/hermitagecastle.htm “The Earl of Angus in 1470 appointed David Scott of Buccleuch to the office of Custodian of Hermitage Castle, and for many years the Scotts fulfilled this duty. In 1492, Archibald Douglas, fifth Earl of Angus, exchanged Liddesdale and Hermitage with Patrick Hepburn, third Lord Hales, who was created first Earl of Bothwell,..”
Buckcleuch, is well defined by Walter Elliot. Map shows places and family names to the east in Counties Selkirkshire and Treviotdale, which should be of interest. Even Cavers which is up for sale; https://www.rettie.co.uk/property-for-sale/borders/scottish-borders/denholm/MEL130005-house-building-plot-country-home-cavers (needs a wee bit restoration). Note; John “le”(the) Scott or Ulhtred “Fitz” (son of the) Scott.
1/1/2018 MSE
My relatives were of the Horslehill (Gorrenberry) family, and a James Scot, son to Walter Scot in (not of) Hassindene, rode with the Ellot and was beheaded for it. The jury for the prosecution, had Scot in it, but the jury for the defense had Douglas in it. ‘Buck’ the Bauld Buccleuch, was judge avocated for Queen Mary of Scotland. 1564 https://books.google.com/books?id=msouAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA456&dq=Gawane+Criminal&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq1Le28c3YAhUHz2MKHQ4nCGcQ6AEINDAC#v=onepage&q=Gawane%20Criminal&f=false Gawane, and Arche said because of age were not executed, but since Gawane it is felt that this part of the family had better relations with Buccleuch, and married a Buccleuch’s sister Jean Scot married a Gawane/Gawin of Horslehill, marriage to Robert Ellot fifteenth Ellot chief, with son Gilbert ‘Golden Garters’ of Stobs.
Know my family the Ellot were in with a notorious group of people; even some Scottis of Ewisdaill, but no Douglas seem to be among them. Those Douglas must have been among the “good guys”.
Ray Irwin, wanted to have Dale Dodds, see this amazing piece of research done by Clan Irwin Surname DNA Study- Background FTDNA James M Irvine, group administrators, which included Dodd/Todd, in their separation out of the NPE Non Parental Events, showing a linkage to the Clans along the borders, best known as Border Reivers. Both Carruther, on the west border and Fairbairn on the east border show a strong I-M253 impact, which may give some credence of the Armstrong-Fairbairn story.
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Combining genealogy, and SNP DNA, testing by FTDNA Big-Y and outside resources. One can get Big-Y results through other labs besides Family Tree DNA. Using these results to verify branch points, at documented date of Daniel Elliot of Salem Trials of March 28, 1692, for Daniels, first son Daniel, and sixth son of seven Johnathan which I am descended from, plus an older brother to Daniels father Daniel which is Robert, gives a branch point for the Boyling Rock , Portsmouth, NH, and cross river, Eliot Neck, Kittery, Maine, Baptist, which were baptized in Boston, and went down to Charles Town (Charleston) SC, and started those southern Baptize. Yes, the southern Baptize have roots in Boston, MA, with R-U106 Elliot in them.
1/12/2018 MSE
R-M269>U106>S12025>S16361>A6722+, also included without testing SNPs should be the same as mine, that is of James Donald Elliott listed commissioner for the Arizona Clan Elliot Society. Fourth cousins, James Donald Elliott, and my father Loren Spencer Elliott, decease about two years ago, are listed in the 2010 Elliot Clan Society directory. Once removed from James Donald Elliott, which has test 37 markers, in 37 markers we are as distance of one off.
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….., this may show you from which group utilized the Yseq for their sampling, from the Border Reiver FTDNA group. FTDNA shows how far downstream these individuals were tested. Because they were suggest by tester to utilize Yseq, showing it would cost less, the results are not recorded as their FTDNA values. This would show a result of, would also be S16361 or downstream, A6719, A6722, or A6724, and for individuals such as Robert P. Elliott, and anyone overseeing FTDNA projects such as R-U106 to keep the data line out of publication. As a branch point and since I paid for the DATA, Robert P. Elliott or anyone associated to the Scotland, and, R-U106 FTDA groups as administrators or co-administrators, are not approved by me to use my data-base of over 2,000 individuals http://www.familytreedna.com/my/family-tree/share?k=WbDsW3grHz1XjsL2GsrWhQ%3D%3D, (it should be noted other people, not the LDS, have placed dad’s recent information online. For computer security, do not give genealogical information.)or my FTDNA results, in any of their published studies until I am reinstated into the Scotland FTDNA group, and the above individuals are listed with their downstream results via Fseq testing of at least S16361, and noted that they have an equivalent for SNP testing as the Big-Y. Particularly I myself, as a family history genealogist, not a lab tester like the those administrators of R-U106 FTDNA which are acting like they are testing mice, for publication, which want the SNP information to be their own, not of those of the Daniel Testimony Group which purchase it. This is a strong indicator, that they want a monopoly of the information over other “so called” academics. It is enough to be refugees of a witch trail then to go through this corporate pseudo genealogical test from so called academics, and pay for the information because of we are family oriented. For those academics to get the full results of the data, because, we of the Daniel group were doing the study for family, by paying for the study, and not being told the results would not show up on FTDNA.
Note; Only one individual is listed with R-S16361. Who do you suppose that is?
1/15/2018 MSE
GAVE AN HONEST RESPONSE WITH DOCUMENTATION, NOW I AM NO LONGER ON BORDER REIVER FTDNA.
1/16/2018 Mark Stephen Elliott
(correction 2/16/2018  AW not WA Elliott)
Lineage-sheet-by-James-Donald-Elliott In 2010 both James Donald Elliott, and dad, Loren Spencer Elliott (4th cousins), were proud to be an active part of the Elliott Clan Society. Dad, died about 2 years ago, and this is a link to his genealogical
material which I have embellished. genealogy-by-dad-Loren-S-Elliott 
The Armstrong, the father of the clan chief and it is felt that the Clan Eliott Chief also, recognizes the Elwald-Ellot line of today’s Elliott, which I am apart of. Migrating with Armstrong, from Germany as Anglo-Dane, into Northumbria, then became apart of the Scottish borderlands, when a border was placed between, Scotland and England. Family was adopted by an ie Clement Crozier, living on Gladstanis lease land, previous to purchase by my family, of Horsleyhill. He became known as Clementis Hobs, and moved to Gorranberry, with and Archie “Keen” Elliott. Rejected as Armstrong similar to what happen to the Jews, during WWII, banish from both kingdoms, as many Elliott were to make way for a Middle Shires, moved on to Ulster, Fermanagh, where Neil Armstrong’s family is from, then on to Sutton, MA, USA living near a Martin Armstrong.Do things by measurement, and recognition. Since online;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Eliott has this link;
http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot2.html inseated of;
http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot.html which censors freedom of speech, and does not recognize Clan Crozier, like the Armstrong, my membership, unlike dad’s Loren Spencer Elliott is not in the Elliot Clan Society, but in the Armstrong Clan Society. Though I have the surname Elliott, it does not make me an Elliott, when Clan Crozier, and the Elwald-Ellot, line is not accepted by Clan Elliott, but Clan Armstrong. Do you know what it makes me an Armstrong, and I am proud of. To the Clan Elliot Society, it makes me a “Cowie of Gorrenberry”, something in the past they said that died, but were at the time living in Ulster. The Gorrenberry Elwald-Ellot line and Clan Crozier, as far as the Armstrong the Unvanquished are concerned are vanquished to Clan Elliot Society, excepting for the chief, which branches into the line. Best, I can figure it she is my seventeenth cousin, twice removed.

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Elwood, Ellwood, of Elwald, Elwold, Elwould

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Joel MacDonald “Mark what is the significance of the ancestral coin that is utilized for your pic?” https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/argyll-colony-north-carolina/about http://gorrenberry.com/argyll-colony-uploads/ co-admin, because admin husband’s mother is an Armstrong, and border reivers pitch-in to help out. “Mac” are of the Gaelic language of Scots, and where the term Scot came from, which included the northern county of North Ireland; County Antrim, where the Ulster Border Reiver Scots language is spoken today, because the Antrim Scottish Gaelic took in the Border Reiver Scottish Armstrong, which are found in the Argyll Colony of North Carolina, USA. The Armstrong and Elliott of the border land were self lead, and today Clan Armstrong does not have a leader, and is represented by the Clan Elliot chief; http://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-clan-chief.mp4 27 sec long. The Armstrong cross borders, and like me are border reivers. Represented by the “tails” side of the coin, with a full body horse. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms In which they have their Fair Bear story of Germanic origins, migrating and including York. Surname evolve from personal name, and the coin (sceat) was mint in York, by Ælfwald, and my many great is Alanus Elfwold; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall “An early resident of Bec was Alanus Elfwold (1248).” Took me quite awhile to figure out where Bec was at, until I saw the moat around it, and found a nearby Robert Elwald of 1290, and recorded a Robert Elwald son of Alan in Rimington, West Yorkshire, Northumbria, now Rimington, Lancashire, England. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimington “History; … Robert Elwald son of Alan listed 1304.” Though my Y-DNA R-U106 is unique and does not represent the Elliott surname, Ellwood, mainly developed in the Cumbria England region, an like my family we share the same shield with a stag’s head on it. The chiefs shield of Redheugh Stobs, is with a Scottish measuring stick on it and “elwand”, as we were call at times instead of Elwald. http://gorrenberry.com/gorrenberry-elliot-elwood-ellwood-an-edwards-arms/ (has more info on your question) The chief Margaret Eliott chief 29, is of Stobs-Redheugh, and I am of Stobs-Gorrenberry. Redheugh is the line of the chieftain. If show be noted that the chief normally was the first son, which we shared for about nine generations. Puts my generation interval at about 29 years instead of thirty. She has 29 generations to my 27. Makes her generation based on first son, now daughter at about 27 years, which would take you back to Robert son of Alan to about the year 1250 AD. We are within a year of age, her father and my father, with help from their mothers her’s from Georgia, USA, were top genealogists. Dad of Mt Ayr, IA, USA (Ayr after Robert Burns hometown), had a twin sister, and guess we are like twins. Best I can figure she is my seventeenth cousin twice removed, has two children, and if the chieftain line is to exist further, it will be from her descendants. Elliott in English also have this Breton, group of TS Eliot, French Breton, pro-barony chief and do not accepting my Elwald-Elliott Germanic line. In the Fair Bear story, which goes way back the bear and elk are friends. Fairbairn, shows I-M253 DNA, except for some NPE, which have in them many border families; Caruther, Irwin/Irvine, Armstrong, and Elliot are included and shown in which; James M. Irvine which of fifty years of experience as a genealogist, mine is about forty-five years, have done excellent research in identifying these NPE among the west March Bonshaw Tower Irvine/Irwin. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/irwin/default.aspx?section=yresults (find NPE). It should be noted; that the Fairbairn (fair skinned Dane of the surname bear family), and the Elwald (elk of the wood, branched off from the moose of the marsh), are branched lines, and I of the Gorrenberry Elliott along with today’s English Ellwood, are of the Germanic Ewald-Eichwald line, and our symbol coming out of York is the stag’s head on the coin of king/saint Ælfwald, buried in Hexam Abby, south of the border between Scotland and England, placed across Anglo-Danish Northumbria, capital would be considered York, where the coin was minted. Used math and DNA to find likely region family entered the British Isles; http://gorrenberry.com/geographic-surname-dna-correlation/ http://gorrenberry.com/genealogie-geographischer-name-dna-elliot/
1/25/2018 MSE
The Ellet Water travels between Kelly Castle, and Ardbirlot Kirk 1583-1614 and 1654.
1/30/2018 MSE

Mark Elliott
Robert Ewald,

Noticed, it is a German name. Do I have something for you to read;
http://gorrenberry.com/proto-germanic-r-u106-haplogroup-dna-elwald-elliot/
Robert ranks third among us Elliott, and fourth among the Ewald, as a forename.
Had a brother now deceased named Robert, and our first ten clan chiefs were named Robert Elwald. After a millennium I may have found kinship in Germany.

811225 Christoph Ewald, b. 1789, d. 1876 Germany I-M223

Welcome to the moose of the woods tribe. No surname, but likely a tribal name.
My migration path is along the mapping of I2a2 which I-M233 is and your first marker like mine is a 14. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b7a6ee1e872e576ac72072eeb0f5d556

Basic question. What is the proto-germanic haplogroup? I1 or R-U106? Answer, likely both basically migrated together, and would have proto-germanic tendencies.

Bemerkte, es ist ein deutscher Name. Habe ich etwas für dich zu lesen;
http://gorrenberry.com/proto-germanische-r-u106-haplogroup-dna-elwald-elliot/
Robert steht an dritter Stelle unter uns Elliott und Vierter unter den Ewald als Vornamen. Hatte ein jetzt verstorbener Bruder Robert geheißen, und unsere ersten zehn Clanchefs wurden Robert Elwald genannt. Nach einem Jahrtausend habe ich vielleicht Verwandtschaft in Deutschland gefunden.

811225 Christoph Ewald, b. 1789, d. 1876 Germany I-M223

Willkommen im Elch des Waldstammes. Kein Nachname, aber wahrscheinlich ein Stammesname. Mein Migrationspfad ist entlang des Mappings von I2a2, welches I-M233 ist und Ihr erster Marker wie mein ist ein 14. https://qph.ec.quacacdn.net/main-qimg-b7a6ee1e872e576ac72072eeb0f5d556

Grundlegende Frage. Was ist die proto-germanische Haplogruppe? I1 oder R-U106? Antwort, wahrscheinlich beide im Grunde zusammen gewandert, und würde proto-germanischen Tendenzen haben.

2/2/2018 MSE

1541 The Elwald-Ellot-Elliot-Elliott defended the Hermitage Castle, and hopefully the descendants today from Hermitage Castles’s Windy Edge Wind Farm.

2/6/2018 MSE

Peace On The Border

Steeleye Span
Album Back in Line

After the riding we dispersed
We drifted home in twos and threes
Through cold and rain we spat and cursed
This ancient war of families

Armies past and then returned
They killed and raped, they stole and burnt
So from the cradle we have learnt
To be as hard as stone
And learned to stand alone

(chorus)
They are gone now, the killing and disorder
They’re just ghosts now, the brigand and marauder
And we give thanks for peace on the border
We give thanks for peace on the border

Cloak and dagger, crime on crime
Anarchy in the borderlands
The king’s men came with a valentine
To break to power of the border clans

Some were hung, some sent away
To Ireland and the low countries
Great was the price they had to pay
God bless their memory
And god bless you and me

The broken towers that stand today
Stand for peace and order
Reminding us until the day
That we need no more borders

 

Lori Watson – Johnnie Armstrang

Johnnie Armstrang – Gilnockie

SOME speikis of lords, some speikis of lairds,
And sic lyke men of hie degrie;
Of a gentleman I sing a sang,
Sum tyme called laird of Gilnockie.

The king he wrytes a luving letter,
With his ain hand sae tenderly,
And he hath sent it to Johnie Armstrang,
To cum and speik with him speedily.

The Elliots and Armstrangs did convene;
They were a gallant companie—
“We‘ll ride and meit our lawful king,
And bring him safe to Gilnockie.”

When Johnie cam’ before the king,
Wi’ a’ his men, sae brave to see,
The king he move his bonnet to him;
He ween’d he was a king as well as he.

“May I find grace, my sovereign liege,
Grace for my loyal men and me?
For my name it is Johnie Armstrang,
And subject of yours, my liege,” said he.

“Away, away, thou traitor strang!
Out o’ my sight soon mayst thou be!
I grantit nevir a traitor’s life,
And now I‘ll not begin with thee.”

“To seik het water beneith cauld ice,
Surely it is a greit folie—
I have asked grace at a graceless face,
But there is nane for my men and me!”

“But had I kenn’d ere I cam frae hame,
How thou unkind wadst been to me!
I wad have keepit the Border side,
In spite of all thy force and thee.”

“John murder’d was hung at Carlinrigg,
And all his gallant companie;
But Scotland’s heart was ne’er sae wae,
To see sae mony brave men dee—”

The Ballad of Kinmont Willie

 

MUCKLE-MOUTH MEG

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