Wm Elwald of Gorrenberry managed land transfers like from Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’ Douglas, to Robert Elwald of Redheugh.
Elwald seal of York, found with the Douglas of Cavers, Scotland.
Mark Elliott
4 hours ago
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2346147?availability=Mesa%20Arizona%20FamilySearch%20Library “The Church of Later Day Saints genealogical library in Mesa, Arizona did do a good job of showing where my surname ‘Mark’ came from, but I felt certain that ‘Spencer’ would be a surname included in the information dad contributed. He was living in Mesa, Arizona, USA at the time and I was with him when he contributed the information.” Know a Wade Kotter, BS, anthropoly and archælogy 1972-1978, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA, the university of The Latter Day Saints. Influential in me leaving the FTDNA German blog. Utah has good schools in education, and am a graduate of a team in-state rival school, the University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah (State of Utah school), where the Family History Library of the Church of Later Day Saints is located. https://www.familysearch.org/en/ December 1979, B.S. mining engineering, University of Wyoming, summer 72, B.S. economics, with graduate studies at Indiana University, through the Department of Mathematics, in the eighties. Uniformitarianism GEOLOGY WRITTEN BY: The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica https://www.britannica.com/science/uniformitarianism “Uniformitarianism, in geology, the doctrine suggesting that Earth’s geologic processes acted in the same manner and with essentially the same intensity in the past as they do in the present and that such uniformity is sufficient to account for all geologic change. This principle is fundamental to geologic thinking and underlies the whole development of the science of geology.” That the one which utilizes the math, in his analysis is taken as a liar. Nicolas Copernicus, which society finally believes.
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Mark Elliott
19 hours ago
This is an example of genealogical conflict. Came to the conclusion; refer to him genealogically as James W. Spencer, because he did not basically use his middle name. One family can refer to the “W.” as Whitney, and the other as Whitley. He’s my father’s mother’s (Ilah) father, and has R-U106>R-L48.
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Mark Elliott
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Records; https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2346147?availability=Mesa%20Arizona%20FamilySearch%20Library Family history of Miles & Maria (Purnell) Mark : of Virginia, Maryland, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Iowa and other points west Statement of Responsibility: compiled by Loren S. Elliott Authors: Elliott, Loren S. (Main Author) Format: Books/Monographs Language: English Publication: [S.l. : s.n.], 1994 Physical: unpaged : geneal charts, ports. Notes Ancestors & descendants includes families of Barnes, Elliott, Fogleman, Hoover, Keenan, Lawrence, Manning, Mark, McCleary, McGinnis, McCarty, Moore, Nichols, Patrick, Sackett, Schofield, Signor, Terwilliger and With. Currently unavailable. View this catalog record in WorldCat for other possible copy locations Copies Call NumberLocationCollection/ShelfAvailability 929.273 M34e Mesa Arizona FamilySearch Library http://arizonabeehive.com/the-mesa-familysearch-library-continues-to-invite-all-to-come-and-find-your-ancestors/ Off-site Storage The Church of Later Day Saints genealogical library in Mesa, Arizona did do a good job of showing where my first-forename ‘Mark’ came from, but I felt certain that ‘Spencer’ would be a surname included in the information dad contributed. He was living in Mesa, Arizona, USA at the time and I from Gallup, New Mexico, USA was with him when he contributed the information.
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Mark Elliott
18 hours ago
https://nvk.entless.org/mapbox/1890:kj%C3%A4r,1890:kjer,1890:kjaer https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63 https://images.theconversation.com/files/75269/original/image-20150318-2502-hwp2kw.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip Am elk (moose) of woods. In order to have an elk (moose) of woods, there must be an elk (moose) of the thickets, which basically the name Kjaer means thickets and symbolized by an elk (moose). Have Y-DNA similarities with them.
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Mark Elliott
July 11 @ 10:28am
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Mark?iframe=ysnp Want to thank the admin Stephanie Ray again for her support. A lot of graphics are being used of this FTDNA Yorkshire blog. Am U106, R-L48 is downstream. Spencer family of dad, Loren Spencer (mom’s maiden) Elliott are L48. Smith is an mtDNA name, of England, old Yorkshire then Ireland near Dublin. When the Irish went from Gaelic towards the English, some, or should I say a lot used the surname Smith. Sincerely, Mark Stephen (Slavic, mom’s fahter’s name) Elliott
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Matt Kitching
June 20 @ 1:59am
Hi all, I can trace my line back to Knayton and then back to Old Malton.. I used the mapping tool that Mark uses and hey presto the big red dot is bang on the Malton area. Cheers, Matt
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Mark Elliott
June 21 @ 9:34am
Excellent. I am very ignorant of the Kitching family (period). Though I have utilized example after example, it is the mechanics, I am trying to instruct on how one finds family. Now it seems success is showing, and this is a manner of integrating DNA with other sources. Basic rules I found helpful in family research are; 1. The family knows best. 2. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. 3. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. 4. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. 5. If genealogy is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. With DNA being introduced it is just a tool, integrating it with others tools, increases the level of accuracy. One of the most key successful tools, I have utilized, is when family presents me with information, though believe it is completely incorrect, in order to conclude so try to prove it through research it is incorrect. You, would be surprise, of how much information passed from family which is thought to be incorrect, when it is tested out found to be correct. To me genealogy is and art of using outside information, that from family comes first, to look beyond oneself, to puzzle out a family tree. Dad, found the same to be true. After all family knows best.
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Mark Elliott
June 21 @ 10:00am
Do not forget putting surname into a mapping program as a tool; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kitching+Rd,+Peterlee,+UK/@54.590068,-1.574478,8.81z https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kitching+Grove,+Darlington+DL3+0SL,+UK/@53.9157505,-1.4536743,8.06z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Malton,+UK/@54.1325494,-1.1809788,8.79z/ Name could be a location name given; https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/kechin Kechin, Ketching, Keichin(g, n. Also: kechine, -yn(e, -ene, -ing, -yng, -eing; ketchyne; keicheing, keitcheine. [Var. of Kichin(g n. The change of vowel may be parallel to that (ĭ > ē) in Chekin, Mekill, Sekir, etc. ME. (midl.) has kechene (14th c.), kechyn, where the e is probably to be differently explained.] 1. A kitchen, the place, usu. in a house or building, where food is cooked. Also fig. in the wormis keiching = the grave. In quot. 1496, appar. a field-kitchen. Would suspect, Kitching Grove, Darlington. Grove with a kitchen, north of Darlington. Try the name Kitchingham (Kitchen-home) in http://named.publicprofiler.org/ For Yorkshire also “de Kitching”, and “Kitchington”, note “-ham”, “de_”, and “-ton”, as added tools for Yorkshire for surname searching. Google books is a good locality to test name spellings in.
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Matt Kitching
July 1 @ 5:28am
I also know I have Y DNA affinity with two other surnames, Rathmell and Parrott and these surnames also both plot well over the same area. I can trace the earliest male ancestor of each family back to a 60 mile a side triangle with one apex at Malton in 1773, the others being Grassington also in 1773 and Wroot in 1806.
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Mark Elliott
June 26 @ 9:19am
Should be spelled Stephen, male’s version of Stephanie.
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Mark Elliott
June 26 @ 8:18am
https://forebears.io/surnames?q=Murphy When the Gaelic Anglicize into the Scottish-English, Yorkshire names such as Smith and Murphy, from western England migrated into eastern Ireland, and were adopted, when the Irish Gaelics, adopted the English language. Dad married mom, guess the Elliott in County Fermanagh, Ulster Ireland married the Murphy there also.
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Mark Elliott
June 24 @ 11:30am
Stephanie Ray, Thank you. For mom.
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Mark Elliott
June 13 @ 11:28am
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Mark Elliott
June 13 @ 8:47am
In French; L’abbaye de Préaux. L’abbaye de Lire. L’abbaye de Saint-Etienne de Caen. L’abbaye de Troarn. Le prieuré de Brieweton. L’abbaye d’Aunai. Le prieuré du Plessis. Le même. Hugues Fils d’Osbert. Les religieuses de Lisieux. L’abbaye de Saint-André de Goufler. Hugues de Laci. https://archive.org/stream/recueildesactesd00grea/recueildesactesd00grea_djvu.txt Note; Eliot (north France) + Ellot (Angus, Scotland) = Elliot note also that “-ton” of Briewe’-ton’ is frequently found in Yorkshire. ‘Osbert’ is dominately, used in northern France as a surname; https://forebears.io/surnames/osbert Mainly Normandy. It is a Norman, name. Le abbaye, The Abbey. Le prieuré, The Parish. de ‘of’. Fils d’, son of. Family arrived in The Colony of Massachusetts (Scots-English speaking Anglican; Gaelic Catholics, sent to plantations in the West Indies), in the 1650’s, name was Daniel Ellot. John Eliot, Puritan of the ministry, French named moved into southwest England of the St. German, ‘Eliot’, apostle to the American Indian, came in on Mayflower, c.1620. Name ‘Ellot’ ‘transported as slaves’ from Ulster, about 1650, Scots Royalists (Anglican, Charles II supporters, sided with Gaelic Scots-Irish Catholic) POW or the UK, Cromwellian Civil War, was changed to ‘Elliot’, by the influences of the French, ‘Eliot’. Before time of separation from England, 1776, the American Revolution, a ‘t’ was added to the name, which made it ‘Elliott’. 25 April 2013 Crusoe8181 Crusoe8181 moved page Peregrine Eliot, “10th Earl of St Germans to Peregrine Eliot” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Eliot,_10th_Earl_of_St_Germans And, I had to be descended from a notorious thief of Liddesdale, called Clementis Hobs. Classic and Contemporary PoetryRHYMING DICTIONARY SEARCH AGAINST [OR, AGANIS] THE THIEVES OF LIDDESDALE, by RICHARD MAITLAND “There is ane, callit Clement’s Hob, Fa ilk puir wife reivis her wob, And all the lave, Whatever they have: The devil resave therefor his gob!” http://www.poetryexplorer.net/poem.php?id=10104291 At least with thieves there are records. (Clementis Hob; ie Clement Crozier’s sister’s son Robert Elliott) He had a brother; Andrew (Dand) ‘Dand the Cow’ Burgess of Selkirk. Father; Andrew (Dand) ‘Dand the Cowie’ was implicated in the slaughter of a ‘Hugh Douglas’, the Scott family hid him away in Teviotdale. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Andrew-Dand-the-Cowie-son-Andrew-Dand-the-Cow.jpg When he came to visit Clementis Hob, in Gorrenberry, just west of The Hermitage Castle, the family made up this story about a ‘Cowie’ to protect him. Hope people will not hold it against me what my family did five hundred years ago; https://books.google.com/books?id=wGJNDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA166&dq=Cowie+Gorrenberry&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA89uA7ebiAhUKCKwKHWLzCHgQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Cowie%20Gorrenberry&f=false When the Cowie, and the Gorrenberry line supposively died off, the Y-DNA was in New England. THE ELLIOTS in SELKIRK http://home.kpn.nl/pu6qs9/ellot_clan.htm (follows the elliots of Wolfelee) In 1688 said to be ‘of the ancient kind'(i.e. descended from Redheugh) James Ellot of Bridgehaugh stated to be a “a brother’s son of the Laird of Horsleyhill”. Disentangling all the Elliots concerned to their exact descent and relationship would be a major undertaking. Instead all the Ellots recorded as BURGESSES, BAILLIES and COMMISIONERS of SELKIRK have been listed. DATES RANGING BETWEEN Andrew (alias Dandie, or Dandie of the Cow) 21/3/1565 – 2/5/1591
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Mark Elliott
June 6 @ 6:01pm
http://borderbrighams.weebly.com/origins.html https://www.houseofnames.com/brigham-family-crest Brigham History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms – House of Names The surname Brigham was first found in Yorkshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D. ‘de’/of Brigham a place name becomes surname Brigham.
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Mark Elliott
June 2 @ 2:30pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brigham,+Driffield+YO25+8JW,+UK/@54.2033302,-1.4898224,6.99z/ This is for the people of the Later Day Saints, which are researching for ancesters. The people of County Yorkshire, UK which realize that a lot of their surnames are from place names in the region such as ‘Brigham’. The people of the north end of Danish Northumbria, which ended up in the Border Region of Scotland, when in 1320 a border was placed between Scotland, and England. And, the people who came over from Germany-Denmark to Danish Anglia. With a name like Brigham Young, you must also be a Border Scot.
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Mark Elliott
May 28 @ 2:27pm
From FTDNA Germany 5/28/2019 JOHANNES WEYERS @mark !! We do not always have to prove the origin of the word “the” or ” German ” . Their are lots of origins of documents that are often conflicting . We all try to scratch and find those of value and in the process too often even prove ourselves wrong . Like Mark Elliott JOHANNES WEYERS In order for Elwald to be of the Fairbiarn I-M253 (Fair Bear) story in the genealogy of the children of the bear, ‘wolf’, and ‘elk’, the ‘elk’ can not be a big deer. It has to be a ‘moose’, what the English and German call an ‘elk’. Because Elwald is derived from ‘moose of the forest’. Since the ‘american elk’ is only in the forest, the name created a branch, family. The ‘moose’ in English and German ‘elk’, has a branch family in the genealogy of the family tree. It is the ‘moose/elk’ of the thickets and marsh. Never have seen an ‘American elk’ in the marshes-thicket, but have seen an ‘English-German elk’ in the marshes-thicket. Y-DNA by Robert P. Elliott, of our Daniel Elliot, of Salem cluster shows the Ker(r) to be a in the group of the closest matches by surname. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/2210825?dpr=2&fit=max&h=324&w=590 Image address showing ‘elk’ on the crest of the Kerr arms.; https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQg3I3LAEyX4jy3CdXxqtNcQ7vVeSLUJbvk1h9Uqt37-hXCI3JERg Clan Kerr – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Kerr Clan Kerr /kɜːr/ ( About this sound listen) is a Scottish clan whose origins lie in the Scottish … The name stems from the Old Norse kjarr which means marsh dweller, and came to Scotland from Normandy, the French settlement of the … (note; the People of British Isles PoBI autosomal DNA study excluding surnames groups, the Anglo-Saxon, of the ‘elk of the forest’ DNA, with the Norman DNA, of the ‘elk of the marsh’, are in the same DNA grouping.) The Ker(Cessford, Duke of Roxborghe of Floors Castle near Kelso, Scotland), Kerr(Ferniehirst, Chief of Clan Kerr a Tory, Lady Buccleuch), and Carr(adult accuser in the Salem Witch trials). Carr, a lady in this blog brought to my attention, her awards for the DAR Daughters of the American Revolution, and reminded me the pride my family that they took place in “stringing up those Tories”, especially when they laugh at “transporting the Scots as slaves to The Colonies”. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 It was my family being transported, for being Royalists, like the Loyalists to the crown, but ninety years earlier. For me to get the language of my genealogy correct for my particular family is very important, but in order to do proper genealogy you better get it correct for your own family. The only family I basically have to utilize as a model for other families is my own. It is the mechanics which I am trying to teach. Like, the one who has done the genealogy and carries the Y-DNA, is most likely 100% in being correct. Listen to the ladies, ‘the Carr with the DAR awards’, do not kick out the ‘in-laws’, allow for ‘freedom of speech’, something I feel “The Americans”, need to learn from “The Europeans”, because they “The Europeans”, are beating “The Americans”, at their own game. Of course there are in America people from Europe including the UK.
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Mark Elliott
May 20 @ 1:11pm
https://www.GEDmatch.com Frank Warner, (group may be interest to this posting made to FTDNA Germany) A269034 Mark Stephen Elliott (lawismarkellot) Andrew ‘Dand’ Daniel ELLIOT GEDmatch Ref: 9087233 : I324 Born: Gorrenberry, Roxburghshire, Scotland Died: Tullykelter, Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Family rode with Armstrong. Neil (Gaelic) Alden (Anglo) Armstrong (Scottish; Armestrang-army strong of Scotland). Claims Langholm, Scotland the home of (Bauld) Buccleuch Estates. At 50th anniversity of Neil putting first step on moon; Ancestral Home of the Clan Armstrong Press Release; Gilnockie Tower – Anniversary Weekend. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Gilnockie-Tower-Anniversary-Weekend-Press-Release-Short.pdf http://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/HISTORY_IRELAND_Winter1994_pgs.25-29.pdf
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Mark Elliott
April 28 @ 11:19am
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Paul Farrar February 26 @ 1:58pm There is a Farrar/Farrow project on FTDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Farrar%20-%20Farrow?iframe=yresults Farrel in Gaelic means barrel. Note spell correction Farra above should be Farrar.
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Mark Elliott
April 28 @ 10:47am
ancestry.com updated comparison. Same autosomal DNA used in all three examples.
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Mark Elliott
April 28 @ 10:19am
Ancestry.com older comparison shows localities of mother’s folks. https://www.google.com/search?q=peace+on+the+border&rlz=1C1AVNA_enUS566US566&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij_L7zsfXhAhUPTKwKHaO2AqAQ_AUIDigB&biw=1280&bih=568#imgrc=n5ZrDD-wGaTTjM:
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Mark Elliott
April 28 @ 10:03am
myOrigins Walkthrough – Family Tree DNA https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/user-guide/family…myftdna/walkthrough/ myOrigins is a feature of our Family Finder test. This feature provides you with a percentile breakdown of the Genetic Populations to which your autosomal DNA .. Garrett Hellenthal – The Genetic History of the United Kingdom: the POBI project Using ‘autosomal DNA’. Hellenthal (like Hellenthal ‘bright locality’ Germany; a place name in Germany). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANNHMzmxlI PoBI Genetics https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics
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Craig Foss
April 7 @ 2:43pm
Hi, Thanks for allowing me to join this group. My name is Craig Foss and I live in New Zealand. I am R-PF76410 on FTDNA and Z41150 on “The Big tree”. My fathers line, Foss comes from the York area, but prior to that we are not sure. We are also unsure if the Devon Foss line is linked to us. Look forward to your thoughts. Cheers/
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Mark Elliott
April 10 @ 9:57pm
Foss is a name of a river, running north of York, Yorkshire. The name foss indicates the river has waterfalls in Norwegian . http://www.yorkshiredalesriverstrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/River-Foss-catchment-map.png This region of Yorkshire is noted for Scandinavian names being apart of Danish Northumbria at one time. The Devon Foss is on the coast very south part of Devonshire. Could be a later by Viking, from the Danish region which named the River Foss going north of York, and likely your surname may have evolved from. In this group finding many surnames which evolve from place names. In Devonshire, likely from and ancient Roman road called the Foss-way, from which the name is derived. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Periods/Roman/Topics/Engineering/roads/Britain/_Texts/CODROM/7*.html (html needs to be included)
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Craig Foss
April 10 @ 10:29pm
Thanks Mark, although I am not clear? So there are also two Foss Rivers?? I had no idea. So the York Foss line/families (probably associated with the River Foss(e) may have Scandanavian heritage. The Devon Foss line/families (possibly also from scandinavin-viking heritage). So the two Foss lines may be related but only after going back to Scandinavian/viking roots? And The Foss Way actually links Lincoln/York with Devon/Devonshire?
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Mark Elliott
April 11 @ 10:46pm
In Devon, it is a Roman Road referred to as Foss-way. The time of Roman roads is previous to surname adoption. This road seems to travel through the region of Devon surname Foss. In Yorkshire there is a River Foss north of York. So Devon is a Roman road named Foss, which would give place name from the road of Foss, and Yorkshire has a river name. Foss north of York which is felt the place where your surname is more likely from. Foss is a Norwegian word for waterfalls, and it seems that the Foss River Yorkshire is noted to have waterfalls, and maybe since Scandinavian names are common for the region the river received its name from having waterfalls.
This Farrell, compliments the Farrar, and Forrow.
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