Mark Elliott2 hours ago
The Mapping of Ulster-Scots Philip Robinson https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/mapping-ulster-scots.php People of the British Isles Population Genetics https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics Garrett Hellenthal The Genetic History of the United Kingdom the PoBI project (Ulster Plantation) https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Ulster-Garrett-Hellenthal-The-Genetic-History-of-the-United-Kingdom-the-POBI-project.mp4 Garrett Hellenthal The Genetic History of the United Kingdom the PoBI project Auto-somal DNA with proper sampling procedures of rural DNA generations back, without use of surnames gives study a high degree of accuracy for the British Isles. They found linguistic regions in the British Isles shows slight differences in DNA giving DNA groupings. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Garrett-Hellenthal-The-Genetic-History-of-the-United-Kingdom-the-POBI-project.mp4
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Mark Elliott11 hours ago
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Genealogy is meant to be shared by family. The Mormons and I were born into it. They do it to offer their church to their ancestors, I do it as a hobby once shared with dad, Loren Spencer Elliott. All feeds of FTDNA if they are worth anything will have their share of Mormons on them. Though PBS pushes Harvard, and finding aristocrats, the Mormons push and I do also is finding family. FTDNA calls their auto-somal links as finding family, and so far it is auto-somal tactics which well documented research which is finding family. Though the men are in the priesthood, and the Mormons say to me the ‘higher ups’, the men are leaving me alone because it is the Mormon ladies which overall are the best genealogical researchers, and the Y-DNA people in the priesthood, especially the high ups do not want any difficulties with the ladies. Early west states knew if you put a lady into office on does not have a much conflict-of-interest as putting a man into office. The first state senator of any state was a lady doctor of a polygamy marriage from Utah, before the amendment was past for US women right to vote, Utah already had the vote. https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about Put PBS Harvard to shame. Brigham Young University has the only four year program in genealogy. Harvard only knows as they did with my families relations is to hang them as witches to silence them. Like FTDNA admins have been doing with me, by kicking me out of feeds by doing Family Finding History. Just web search ‘Brigham DNA’ and you will see how to apply DNA as a tool to family research. Note, descended of sixth son, of Daniel Elliot which left testimony in defense of Elizabeth Proctor in the Salem Trials. Descended down first line, is a David Elliot, on the Quorum of Seventy, when a Joseph Smith was President of the Church of Later Day Saints in Kirtland, Ohio. North of me is Kirtland, New Mexico, in the New Mexico corner of where four states meet AZ, UT, NM, & CO, named after Kirtland, Ohio, is a place early Mormon pioneers settled. Have to go with dad, his name is James Whitley Spencer, and not with leanings of America’s finest family researchers, with a store named Whitney owned by some early Mormons in Kirtland, Ohio. P.S. Do not tell those Mormons, but Brigham Young, is a good, anglo Border Reiver name.
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Garth Graham
3 hours ago
You are an odd one.
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Mark ElliottYesterday at 4:48pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The Foster where of the English Middle March, and the Graham of the English West March. Glen Foster, the Ellot were not suppose to but we married the English Foster. On the sasine/deed there also is a Graham, if you do not tell Garth we even married those Graham also. Do you think we changed our ways when we were exiled to North of Ireland. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3370631?dpr=2&fit=max&h=258&w=590 We even married the Maguire. During The Troubles in order to get away from them we migrated to West Germany; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3547747?dpr=2&fit=max&h=408&w=590
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Mark ElliottYesterday at 3:12pm
Surnames which migrated from Debatable Lands & Liddesdale to County Fermanagh (Maguire), Ulster Plantation. The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the Debateable Land: By Robert Bruce Armstrong, Volume 1 Robert Bruce Armstrong D. Douglas, 1883 – “Debateable land” (Scotland) https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Liddesdale_Eskdale_Ewesda.html?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ Author best known for; The Irish and the Highland Harps Volume 1 of “Musical Instruments” by Robert Bruce Armstrong https://www.wirestrungharp.com/library/rba_harps/
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Glen Foster
Yesterday at 3:54pm
My family where among the Forsters who migrated and the Fosters in the Middle March.
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Mark Elliott
Yesterday at 4:15pm
George Forstar, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg on sasine/deed of chieftain line which today lives in Redheugh. Of Anglo-Germanic origins; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Forster,1890:F%C3%B6rster,1890:Foerster, Forester, Foster. Have any German Y-DNA matches?
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Mark ElliottYesterday at 2:58pm
Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkDCQiLr3Zc Migration to Co Fermanagh, from Debatable Lands. They married the Irish. Could you believe the Irish treated them much better then the Kingdoms of Scotland and England especially when they were uniting and exterminating or exiling them. There is a Graham fish garth in film. ‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/
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David LindleyJuly 19 @ 2:53pm
Does anyone on here have “an interest” in the Mussen families of Derriaghy & Lisburn?
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Linda Gilmore
July 20 @ 3:30pm
A Mussen married into my husband’s family & has descendants. Any particular names/dates?
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Elizabeth McKeown
July 22 @ 7:42am
The Lisburn Branch of the North of Ireland Family History Society has a Facebook page. They take queries and have good local knowledge.
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David Lindley
July 22 @ 4:04pm
My “interest” begins with Charlotte Mussen (c1808 – 1860) “the third daughter of Mr James Mussen of Lisburn”, who married Francis Weldon (by License) at Christ Church Lisburn 0n 11-03-1832. Her mother *may* (or may not!) have been Deborah Richardson. For what it’s worth, Ancestry Trees & Thrulines suggest that James Mussen’s parents were James Mussen & Elizabeth Arbuthnot. I have documentary evidence that Elizabeth Arbuthnot (daughter of John Arbuthnot & Frances Skelton) married *a* James Mussen, but not that he was “my” James Mussen.
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Linda Gilmore
Yesterday at 1:21am
I’ve seen lots of details on Mussens of Lisburn but unfortunately our connection with the family is much more recent. Not sure if there might be anything of interest here- https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=595305.0
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Anne Stewart
July 22 @ 9:34pm
I will Start again–My Name is Anne Stewart and I live in New Zealand. My 3X great Grandfather was David Stewart Born abt 1787-89 near Greyabbey? His parents were possibly Alexander Stewart and Alice. David married Jane Agnew–1812 in Bangor and they lived in Groomsport where their children were born.I am interested in David’s family further back in time. I have DNA matches to descendants of Thomas David Stewart and Ann Elizabeth Fulton from the Donaghadee area.I also have matches to descendants of Mary Stewart (1797-1893) and Hugh McCutcheon who went to live in Erin,Wellington Ontario Canada.
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Garth Graham
July 23 @ 7:32am
Might want to consider getting a direct male descendant to test Big Y 700.
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Anne Stewart
July 23 @ 4:19pm
Thank you, Garth. We have done the small Y 37 but need to consider the big Y 700.
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Jennifer Schlumbohm
July 21 @ 10:03am
Newbie here. I ran a report and had matches to about 45 of you, but I am not sure how to tell where the connection is. If anyone finds me as a match and would be willing to investigate, I would be most grateful. I have several known lines in Ireland, but not many of my lines are traced out of the US, so these connections could be very helpful to me. My known surnames from Ireland are as follows: Roycroft, Siberry/Seberry, Devans/Divens, Feathers?. These are mostly from Sligo and the Seberry from Leitrim. Thanks so much for any help! I am relatively new to DNA genealogy. I have a tree up on FTDNA as well as public on Ancestry.com. -Jenn
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Garth Graham
July 21 @ 12:49pm
Best thing you can do is to simply email any of your matches who you are interested in working with. You are not likely to get any of them in this project to reach out to you. Or any project for that matter. Email always works best.
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Thomas [Carter] O’Brien
July 23 @ 11:14am
I agree 100% with Garth – while I haven’t always gotten responses, the ones I have gotten are overwhelmingly positive and helpful. It’s a big benefit of testing with FTDNA.
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C Barry
July 23 @ 1:13pm
Thomas, did you do your YDNA?
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Anne Stewart
July 22 @ 9:27pm
My name is Anne Stewart and I live in New Zealand.My 3X great Grandfather was David Stewart Born abt !787-89 near Greyabbey? His parents possibly Alexander Stewart and Alice.
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Bradley Jansen
July 14 @ 4:39pm
Looking for descendants of Paul HOY/HOYE b abt 1686, Ballycarry, Antrim, immigrated to Prince Georges County, Maryland maybe about 1690. Married Frances DORSETT, daughter of John Dorsett and Ann Beaven. Children James Mary Anne Martha married Thomas Richards Dorsett Isaac Margaret
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Louisa Mawhirt
July 15 @ 9:30am
Have you seen https://www.nifhs.org/dna/ballycarry-dna-project/
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Bradley Jansen
July 15 @ 10:29am
I had not, thanks, but it’s not a Y line for me, it’s pretty far back for autosomal, and I don’t have any identified segments for this line yet. And they’re looking for people with roots there in 1800s, long after my ancestor left.
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Anne Edwards
July 15 @ 11:27am
I’d have thought the project might be interested in people from the area whose ancestors had left pre-1800 too. Have you done your DNA on Ancestry, and searched on the name in trees and also the birth location.
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Bradley Jansen
July 17 @ 7:30pm
I’ve tested at AncestryDNA, 23andMe, LivingDNA and GENO 2.0 (a discontinued National Geographic test through the FTDNA lab). I’ve merged those kits into a “super kit” and uploaded the merged data file to Geneanet, yourDNAportal.com, etc. All kits (except LivingDNA) are uploaded to MyHeritage (they can’t process LivingDNA yet). I’m not paid on Ancestry (or any other site) so my tree views are very limited. (I deleted my kits from GEDmatch for privacy reasons when it sold)
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Christopher Brown
July 9 @ 8:23am
New to the project. Chasing down all possibilities. Completely new to this so any guidance is welcome. My haplogroup is BY111687
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Priscilla Grasse Farrel
July 9 @ 10:33am
First, terminology. BY111687 is the SNP which identifies your subclade. Your haplogroup is the alphabetical letter that preceded your SNP designation. Together they identify the subclade to which you belong. Welcome!
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Gillian Graham
May 24 @ 10:34am
Hi I’m looking help if any one would have a name annie lowans 1869 / 1933 I no she had a daughter nellie 1894 but I’m looking Annie’s family and hubby I have no luck on line I think she came from Belfast
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Elizabeth McKeown
July 8 @ 10:26am
Have you tried the General Records Office Northern Ireland (GRONI) online? If Ellen married, and it was before 1945, you can view her marriage record. That should record the name of her father and other details. Death records before 1970 can also be viewed. The 1933 death record for Annie should provide her marital status (married, widow, spinster) and who was present at death (will possibly give the name of a spouse, or child). I think the GRONI records are £2.50 per view. Is it possible that Annie did not marry?
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RGA Gilmore
July 8 @ 11:24am
If Ellen was illegitimate then her father’s name is unlikely to appear on marriage certificate. If there is a father’s name it might be the name of a stepfather, grandfather, uncle, mother’s partner or even a made-up name
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Elizabeth McKeown
July 8 @ 12:30pm
In my experience the name of a father is often given on the marriage record (particularly the older ones) regardless of whether it is correct or not. By comparing the clues on Ellen’s birth record and on her marriage record, alongside the clues on her mother’s 1933 death record, it might be possible to work out if Annie continued to be a single parent, as suggested on Ellen’s birth record and the census records.
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James (Jamie) Barbour
July 8 @ 8:44pm
This might be the birth record for the 25 year old Ellen Lowens from the census. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03141/2152048.pdf I searched between 1874 and 1877. From the birth record of the Ellen from 1894, Anne is listed as a mill worker. In my research I have come across numerous birth records for single mothers who worked in the mills.
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Mark ElliottJuly 8 @ 10:04am
https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ https://forebears.io/surnames/magilligan https://forebears.io/surnames/mcgilligan https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Owen Cummins 5 hours ago Hi Alice, my line originally came from Magilligan, but they are from Coleraine as of the mid 1800’s. I also have Smith ancestry from Bovevagh. Gedmatch is A055025
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Owen Cummins
July 8 @ 11:35am
Magilligan is the name of the area, also called Tamlaghtard. Most of the surnames are Native Irish or Ulster Scots. https://forebears.io/northern-ireland/ulster/londonderry/tamlaghtard#surnames
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 7:52pm
Owen Cummins, Model II. Neither models one or two show very good correlation with your Y-DNA. Because it looks as though you may be of the Argyll Gaelic Scots which gives indication that the name Cummins, was adopted through Anglicizing of a Gaelic name. Question; do you match any Russell or Buchanan ? It should be noted with the surname ‘Johnston’, some people with Scots Gaelic surnames in the region of Argyll, Scotland, Anglicized their Gaelic surnames to the surname ‘Johnston’. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Edward-McDonald-helped-Johnston.jpg Johnstone (John’s town in Annandale and Johnstone Castle), is a place name which derives Johnston found as second in surname numbers in County Fermanagh, Ulster, but being found in Argyll and matching other Argyll, Scottish names through Y-DNA indicates these ‘Johnston’ are Anglicized from the Gaelic. If you find a lot of Y-DNA surname matches ending with an ‘s’, like your name then this leans like with and influence coming from Wale, like shown in Cummins/Cummings census surname distribution.
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Mark Elliott
July 3 @ 12:59pm
McClean/McClain has that Highland west Scottish Gaelic coast DNA in them.
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Alice Smyth
July 4 @ 5:10pm
My ancestor was Elizabeth Cummins of Tully Townland, Ballykelly, Born 1818. My Mother grew up in Limavady where the Cummings/Cummins/Kimmons name was often seen as Miskimmons. Big variations with that name. My Mum’s Gedmatch is A340760.
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Mark Elliott
July 4 @ 8:18pm
Cummins and Kimmons are near Belfast, but there seem to be some Cummins in the Tully, Ballykelly, Ulster region norteast of (London)Derry.
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Owen Cummins
July 8 @ 5:23am
Hi Alice, my line originally came from Magilligan, but they are from Coleraine as of the mid 1800’s. I also have Smith ancestry from Bovevagh. Gedmatch is A055025
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Mark ElliottJuly 7 @ 10:13pm
christina oreilly Billy and John Walker are matches to me on this project. I would love yo know how we are connected. Likely around Belfast. https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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christina oreilly
July 7 @ 9:57pm
Billy and John Walker are matches to me on this project. I would love yo know how we are connected.
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Mark ElliottJuly 3 @ 12:26pm
Jacob Moran, https://forebears.io/surnames/moran https://named.publicprofiler.org/ LOL I’m U106 myself, of Rimington and Tullykelter. Migration likely from Kirkucbrightshire to Belfast.
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Mark ElliottJuly 3 @ 11:57am
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/cummings?iframe=ycolorized https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Owen Cummins, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle 1610-1650 History The village was listed in the Domesday Book as “Renistone”. The name Boulton (Bolton) is listed in land deeds of 1302, and Robert Elwald son of Alan listed 1304. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimington Robert Elwald son of Alan 1304, is a many great. c 1300 Though I am R-U106 my first 12 markers match a lot of R-L21. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Elwald-Gresham-R-L21-1024×704.png
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Jacob MoranJuly 3 @ 10:01am
So, anyone know about U106 in the Belfast area? (I’m in U106 too lol trust me they don’t know much more than most either XD) But i’m a Moran, mostly Anglo/Norman & German matches on my 67, no Y-111, no shared surnames. Just curious if they were some U106 cluster in Antrim, Down, (or if you happen to know Mayo?) I would be downstream of L47.
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 10:25pm
Click right on image to enlarge in new tab. Owen Cummins, You, and the Y-DNA are correct. Have three matches myself at 111, two sharing the same surname and one an NPE. Yours are different surnames but not NPEs. The closest match you show is three steps off, where I had two, one an Elliott, and the other a known Y-DNA match but having a different surname. The third match with the same surname was at 5 steps. Only one I would expect for you to share the same surname and that would be three steps off next to your own marker. It is felt given the many steps, that the Y-DNA originated where the ‘yellow’ circle is. Not in America languages where brought in and English is a foreign English is a foreign language to the Americas. So Scottish then English was brought into this region of what would be more indigenous the Scots Gaelic which Donald Trump’s mother spoke. We do not have wild cattle roaming the US, but there are wild cattle in Scotland. The Angus cows are from Angus Scotland. Name Cummins, it is felt is near a personal name in Gaelic, and is and Anglicize version of that name. Given the distribution pattern with 55 matches mainly going back 6 and 7 steps, consider your Y-DNA of first Gaelic naming being from the ‘yellow’ circle. The ‘green’ triangles in Argyll in the PoBI study representing them.
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Owen Cummins
July 2 @ 7:04am
Hi Mark, my closest match is actually 2 steps out, at 111 markers. I was told to remove my BY207 matches as that is statistical noise caused by random mutations and concentrate on my FGC32004 matches. Of which I have 20-30. I see what you mean about the Gaelic contribution, but then when I concentrate on the FGC32004 matches they are more towards the borders and eastern Scotland. Elliott actually is prominent within that set of matches.
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Mark ElliottJune 28 @ 12:42pm
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 6:15pm
https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ It should be noted that the People of the British Isles, PoBI used proper rural generational auto-somal sampling without the use of surnames utilizing and international staff of genetic scientist this giving the study a high degree of accuracy. Garrett Hellenthal – The Genetic History of the United Kingdom the POBI project https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Garrett-Hellenthal-The-Genetic-History-of-the-United-Kingdom-the-POBI-project.mp4
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Owen Cummins
June 27 @ 6:44pm
Aren’t most Ulster Scots from the borders? How is the Y dna different?
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Mark Elliott
June 27 @ 7:39pm
County Fermanagh Scots from the Scottish-English Border were naturals for the Irish-Ulster Border in County Fermanagh as Anglican Royalists. People have been vanquished as a Robert the Bruce – Douglas army from the mines of Scotland and turned into mailers and thieves with laws to exterminate Armstrongs on sight. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Border-Pacification-1024×338-1.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Neil-Armstrong-visits-Langholm.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-ArmstrongConverted.mp4 Owen Cummins, added The ‘green’ triangles of the Gaelic Scots, seem to be the closest to the distribution which you have given. Would check my ‘M-‘,’Mc-‘,’Mac-‘ matches. If you have some surname matches which start with ‘Mac-‘ this would be the strongest indicator that your name has been Anglicized from the Gaelic Scots,
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 6:55pm
Owen Cummins, note took another look at info given this is Model I The County Mapper software includes certain names, like Cumming, instead of Cummings and Cumming, where your forename-first name is a better representation of your locality then Cumming in North Scotland. Your name Cummins showed strength in Lancashire in 1881, a place of migration into Ireland and can be North Ireland. Look for names listed. One name my family seemed to associate with showing English, note though borderer Kinmont Willie and my family may lean English because James V hung our gallant company at Carlinrig (old woman’s ridge). There were Barton from the region of the Cummins/Cummings with that Welsh indicating ‘s’ at the end of name. Check your Y-DNA surname matches compare with list use, and this UK surname ‘hotspot’ program may come in handy. Do not change your spelling because it lines up well with what you are saying. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ , https://forebears.io/surnames/cummins , and http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/countyMapper.html
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 9:03am
William Auld, Granddad Mark Elliott had a farm south of Mt. Ayr, Iowa which received the name ‘Ayr’, the place where this Scottish poet Robert Burns is from, who wrote ‘Auld Lang Syne’. Thought you would like to know this. Robert Burns, unlike Scotland’s Walter Scott a descendant of the Bauld (Bold) Buccleuch, did write in the language of the Scots. At the beginning of the New Year, people seem to be singing out your name. It should be noted; The Auld (Old), Lang (Long), Strang (Strong) and so on carried their Scots, language to the very north of Ireland; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_dialect#/media/File:English_dialects_in_Ulster_contrast.png Scottish is a strong dialect of the Anglo-English, and Gaelic Scot, which Donald (Gaelic Scots Anglicized name) Trump (father of Gemany) mother a MacLeod spoke Gaelic Scots, family of Lewis Island, northwest Scotland, and had red hair like many of the Irish do. Said to have been spread by the Vikings (may be that I-M253 Y-DNA), like Irish Gaelic and Scots Gaelic, are both dialects of the Gaelic language. Gaelic Scots had been more widespread in Scotland over years passed. If you were from the Gaelic speaking Scotland in about 1,200 AD you may be call ‘John la /le Scot’, ‘John the Scot’, and the ‘la/le’ would be dropped then it the name would become ‘John Scot’, with an added ‘t’, John Scott. It is from living outside the Scots Gaelic speaking region and being called a ‘Scot’ where today’s surname ‘Scot’ comes from.
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William Auld
June 27 @ 5:14pm
Thanks, Mark! I appreciate the information. My family lived in Antrim for about 150 years or so, but most likely came from Ayrshire originally as I have a definitive YDNA match whose Auld family is from there. It’s a fairly common name in both Ayrshire and Lanarkshire. Beyond the Auld family, I have Spence, Paul, Brewster, McCloskey, McIlvaine, Dougherty and a host of other names from Antrim and Derry.
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Mark Elliott
June 27 @ 5:26pm
If you use; https://named.publicprofiler.org/ you will find the ‘hotspots’ where you say they are. For McIlvaine, https://forebears.io/surnames/mcilvaine in 2014 found 2 in Glasgow. Because people lived with their given surname about their family they are a 100% more correct than I. Need to support them so someone else does not try to change it. Like it is said, ‘a stitch in time saves nine’. What is handed down in the family is the most correct. When someone changes this to try to change it back creates big problems.
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Owen Cummins
June 27 @ 4:53am
Hi all. I have received my Big Y results and I am being told that my surname ‘Cummins’ is an NPE. Throughout the various levels of testing, I only had two ‘Cumming’ matches, at Y67 and Y111 (GD – 9). These men were not genetically close to me but they did match me. They did not match me at Big Y but share 18/548. It was suggested that my surname is ‘Ferguson’ because my two Big Y matches are Ferguson, but I don’t believe my Big Y matches have many other Ferguson matches, couldn’t it be a coicindence that they both share the same surname? I did read also that a lot of adoptions occured in the Scottish Borders, so i’m not sure what to think. I am disappointed that this is a possiblity as I have always consired myself as a Cummins, but then the Scottish origin and odd spelling did make me wonder. Given that both of my matches don’t have strong family trees, and my family tree ends at 1810, how do I go back and determine when and where this NPE occured? I would love to find out what my surname is and where it originated from in Scotland. I can’t seem to find out where my line is from in Scotland and when they came to Northern Ireland. Nobody seems to be able to give a concrete answer on this, I receive conflicting responses from geneaological experts and I can’t determine it myself, as my matches are all over Scotland. What do I do to find this out? I would be interested to know if this is the case for a lot of Ulster Scots lines? Do Ulster Scots people have many ‘same’ surname matches???
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William Auld
June 27 @ 7:01am
I’m afraid I will not be of much help, but I would not discount your distant Cummins matches in terms of your surname. I have a a relative who matches myself at 111 gd 9 and that individual shares my surname Auld. As it turns out, we are related approximately 400 years ago, so both families have carried the Auld surname at least that long. I have many supposedly closer matches from a gd perspective, but, as it turns out, they are far more distant. Names like Lindsay and Stanley are very prevalent among my distant matches. The paucity of records has greatly hampered my research in Antrim and Derry. Have you had a YFull YDNA analysis done?
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Owen Cummins
June 27 @ 7:33am
Hi William. Y dna has been a confusing learning curve for me. STR’s were seen to be an important element of analysis, now that I have BIG Y results they are thrown by the wayside. Regarding the ‘Cumming’ matches, they did not appear until Y67 and Y111. They both have completely different SNPS to myself and are grouped as part of BY207, whilst I am part of FGC32004. Most of my McClean matches appear in BY207 too. https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=751&star=false I’m not sure of the relatedness of those two groups, but I don’t believe they’re related within 1000 years. What’s odd is that I match up with Elliott’s and Proffitt’s which both appear on my FGC32004 tree: https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=5515&star=false I do not match with the Cumming and Cumyn people’s. So, it’s somewhat confusing that I sometimes appear to match men who are part of my wider Y tree, whilst also matching men who are not part of my Y tree. Eitherway there must be some sort of connection with these two ‘Cumming’ STR matches, because they wouldn’t appear otherwise. I haven’t ordered a YFULL analysis but will do so soon. I don’t think my Ferguson matches are on YFULL.
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William Auld
June 27 @ 5:24pm
One of my 2 Auld matches only showed up at the 111 level but we actually know the group of Aulds we’re related to who were from around Ballyrashane, Antrim. I have another definitive match whose family is from Ayrshire. We all 3 share a common ancestor around 400 years ago. There is another NPE Auld with whom I shared a 3rd gr grandfather approximately 200 years ago, but he has not done a SNP test that I’m aware of. Although it is another expense, I found the YFull analysis to be helpful in sorting out some of my STR matches who appeared to be relatively close. The SNP analysis shows them to be much further away, although still definitively related.
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Jennifer Riley has a question!
June 15 @ 3:49pm
“Where is Mccaughan group ”
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Mark Elliott
June 15 @ 5:34pm
McCaughan, Co Antrim less than 2,000, variant McCaughey Co Antrim/Tyrone about 3000. FTDNA group https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-caughan/about https://forebears.io/surnames/mccaughan Both names concentrated in North Ireland. Would expect Presbyterians in the family line.
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Geoff MELLOY
June 16 @ 2:03am
My wife’s paternal ancestry goes back to Haughan of Annan in Scotland, generally believed to be an offshoot of O’Haughan of N.E. Ireland. Does anyone know whether O’Haughan and McCaughan are likely to be related? In other words, are O’ and Mac names ever interchanged?
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Mark Elliott
June 27 @ 5:11pm
MacCaughan see ‘MacCaughey’ ….all derived from the Gaelic Mac Eachaidh is an old personal name Anglicized as Aghy (Haughey is based on the same personal name). ………. The Book of Ulster Surnames by Robert Bell bottom of page 138. If you Y-DNA shows a match with McCaughan, then I would say it is from same DNA being Anglicized to two different surnames.
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 3:09pm
County Antrim most the Cook(e) descended from MacCooks of Kintyre, and Arran in Scotland; Robert Bell, The Book of Ulster Surnames by Robert Bell page 41.
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 2:51pm
arm strong in Irish lámh láidir. Lavery, used interchangably with Armstrong (Robert Bell’s Ulster Surnames page 11). Would look for Armstrong Y-DNA matches.
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 2:29pm
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 1:28pm
Have this crazy concept if a name evolves it migrates. Like for Johnstone, of Johnstone (John’s town), Annandale, Scotland, when it drops the ‘e’ it basically migrates to County Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Johnstone-to-America.jpg It should be noted with the surname ‘Johnston’, some people with Scots Gaelic surnames in the region of Argyll, Scotland, Anglicized their Gaelic surnames to the surname ‘Johnston’. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Edward-McDonald-helped-Johnston.jpg When a name such as Ander, becomes Anderson, or in case above Glee becomes Gleeson, it migrates from the ‘Glee’ to the ‘Gleeson’ (son of Glee). Religious freedom sometimes is a cause of migration. The ‘Mac’ retaining religion and name seem also to retain locality. Change the spelling to ‘Mc’ seems to migrate, and may be a religious change. This change can be seen in North Ireland for the name change MacManus of Belfast, where in Catholic Latin, Manus means ‘hand’, and ‘hand’ would be a liked term by Scottish English Border people. The name becoming McManus is that of County Fermanagh, and found in the Ulster c.1630 muster of County Donegal, which would likely not have a Catholic in them at the time. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/MacManus-McManus.jpg County Fermanagh is basically Anglican; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mapping-ulster-scots-9.jpg The Mapping of Ulster-Scots by Robert J. Gregg; https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/mapping-ulster-scots.php The Anglican Hamiltonian Royalists fought on the same side as the Irish Rebels, against the dictatorial Cromwellian Puritans. Harvard Puritan school of thought in the Colony of Massachusetts, giving them concept to hang witches so they can be silenced. Cromwellian Harvard societies which silence people, are acting not as American Patriots which kicked out the Tory Loyalists in 1776, but as Cromwellian Dictatorial Puritans which genocide the Irish.
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 12:53pm
John Irvine and other recognizable border names are with surname Ellot in the 1610 Co Tyrone, Ulster, Muster. Shows Y-DNA of Mark Elliott of the Daniel Cluster with the McCall and the McConnell. Muster Roll for Tullyhogue (Tullaghoge) 1610 Transcribed by Teena http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html UK ‘hotspot’ surname distribution program. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ John Elwald c1418 Rector of St Andrews with Y-DNA linked to the McConnell and McCall; https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/
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Mark ElliottJune 27 @ 11:13am
https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/BARBADOED.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwells-invasion-of-Ireland-Why-Does-Everyone-Hate-The-English.mp4 We the top five surnames of County Maguire, now Fermanagh; Maguire, Johnston, Armstrong, McManus, and Elliott are intermarried, and basically Anglican-Episcopalian-Methodist, not Catholic ‘Mac-‘, Presbyterian ‘Mc-‘. It is a basic insult to may race which strung up Tories in 1776 to make a new nation. to say that The Troubles is that of a Protestant-Catholic conflict, when the Mc/Mac are making our homeland their battlefield. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/If-you-do-not-like-an-EU-Border-around-County-Fermanagh-the-solution-is-to-move-to-Germany..jpg https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott They are just farmers from County Maguire/Fermanagh. The EU people which liked the border in Germany, and the Brexit, UK people which liked the border between the England and Scotland, and the Catholic of Ireland the ‘Mac’ which hate the Presbyterian, ‘Mc’ and vice versa can harden the border and recreate their battlefield on my ancestral homeland where my namesakes which are still living, they can again move onto all of Germany instead of just West Germany this time. See Germany which had a dictator like Cromwell, no longer has a border.
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Owen Cummins
June 27 @ 12:25pm
Lots of Presbyterians have non mc surnames. I don’t know what you are saying about mc and mac, there is no conflict surrounding that. In fact most people don’t have a Mac surname.
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Mark Elliott
June 27 @ 12:51pm
Quite correct, am related to Mc, myself, though when doing DNA, surname distribution, and trends on is utilizing probability, and the more factors integrated the closer to the correct answer one gets, hopefully close enough where a family member can begin to ID family. Because the western borders is Gaelic, my Y-DNA is in the Gaelic, likely from about six centuries ago a John Elwald, rector of Kirkandrews (church of St Andrews) on the Esk c1622, also about 1618 rector of the first Scottish University and the first University to have a golf course that of St. Andrews. Previously the Scots were educated in Paris.
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Ralph Curran
February 27 @ 10:43pm
My paternal line 4x-great-grandfather was a Gallaugher who came from Co. Tyrone and settled in a fishing village not far from Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. He appears to have been able to read and write, rare among rural Irish Catholics in early 19th century Nova Scotia. He appears as well to have used a non-standard spelling of his surname, although the name soon came to be spelled Gallagher here. Both my late father, Ralph Curran, and I have had Family Finder and Big-Y tests. At this point, our only known Gallagher autosomal matches have the same ancestral roots in Nova Scotia as we do. As for Y and Big-Y matches, thus far they have had roots in Donegal, Derry and Mayo, but none in Tyrone. One autosomal match has posted an early 19th century online pension record for a Daniel Gallagher in Ardstraw, Co. Tyrone. Our immigrant ancestor’s father was named Daniel and was likely born about the same time as the Ardstraw Daniel, but I have no way of knowing if they were the same person. I would like to encourage Y and Big-Y testing among Gallaghers (and especially current or former Gallaughers) in Ardstraw and elsewhere in Tyrone. I’d welcome suggestions.
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Ralph Curran
February 27 @ 10:46pm
I should have said that I am Pat Curran, son of the late Ralph Curran. I have always managed Dad’s DNA accounts as well as my own.
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Alice Smyth
June 24 @ 8:09am
Hi Pat, My family are Guiler. You mentioned a spelling variation. I believe they came from France during the Battle of the Boyne. They settled around Ardboe/Arboe, a fishing village on Lough Neagh during the 1700s and spread out through Northern Ireland subsequently. My Gedmatch is A340760.
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John WilkinsonJune 18 @ 6:09pm
Several months ago, maybe even a year or more now, I said I’d summarize the contents of David Dickson’s monograph on Ireand’s Great Frost and Famine of 1739-1741. Well, I got sidetracked (mostly writing a short book about a new etymology hypothesis for the “Wilk” root surnames, based in part on discoveries and discussions here on FTDNA, so thank you (hopefully I will get it published in the next few months). But I’m finally making good my prior promise about the 1740 Irish Frost/Famine. This particular period of Irish history has interested me as my 5th GGF would have been about twenty years old in Antrim when this hit. I presume it was a, if not the, factor in his decision to emigrate to America. The following are excerpts and summaries from Dickson, Arctic Ireland (1997), which is very much worth your time to obtain a copy and read in full. This was clearly a profound event in Irish history that has for too long been largely unknown, or at the very least under recognized, and eclipsed by the more well-known famine of the mid-19th century. …. A result of “extraordinary climatic shocks” from December 1739 to September 1741 (the causes are debated, but may be rooted in distant volcanic eruptions on the coast of Siberia). Twenty-one months of bizarre unprecedented weather. Preceding thirty years had been characterized by mild winters. Great Frost of 1740, longest period of extreme cold weather in modern European history. Liquids froze indoors, ice flows accumulated in river mouths and extreme winds and drought followed in spring and summer. Weather affected Europe from Scandinavia and Russia to northern Italy. Indoor temperature were recorded as low as 10 degrees Fahrenheit. Severe piercing wind chills. Winds lasted only a week. Major rivers and loughs froze over within days. Vast quantities of dead fish were found along shores of Strangford Lough and Lough Neagh. Immediate risk of catastrophic hypothermia. Boats ferrying coal from Cumbria in England could not arrive due to freeze. Coal prices soared. Water powered mills for grain, cloth were incapable of use causing a massive disruption in food and craft production. Ireland in 1740 was lightly governed, materially poor, and socially polarized with a governing class of overwhelmingly Protestant gentry. When the crisis was about two weeks old, charity collections began in Dublin. 80 tons of coal and ten tons of meal were distributed in the fourth week and there were “many thousand starving”. No national response was coordinated by the Duke of Devonshire. On January 19, 1740 a proclamation was issued barring export of grain anywhere except Britain. In Belfast, the four congregations distributed monetary relief raised to some 850 distressed townsfolk. The deep freeze and frost lasted nearly seven weeks. Some relief from the frigid weather was repeated by the second week of February. The Great Frost decimated one of the two main rural Irish food sources—the potato. Reports as early as New Year’s Day that the frost had “already destroyed a great part of the potatoes”. Tens of thousands of small-farming and laboring families shivered in their cabins across the country facing the sudden loss of their principal winter foodstuff. Meal was also important but generally was not consumed until late spring, the destruction of the potatoes forced consumption of meal months earlier than normal. Temperatures remained extraordinarily low and piercing northerly winds prevailed. By April the countryside looked strangely parched and was eerily silent. Much wildlife was missing and many migratory species were terribly affected. Extreme drought in spring 1740 brought a series of disastrous town fires destroying nearly 250 houses. Wheat and barley were largely destroyed by the end of April and fodder for livestock was nearly non-existent. Catholics in Dublin were relieved of Lenten obligations and permitted to eat meat four days per week. From Antrim, Scotland could be seen covered with a lying snow even into May. In June, wheat prices had doubled, causing the size a penny or three penny loaf of bread to shrink accordingly. The long weeks of drought made clear that most grain would be in short supply com harvest. By mid-summer 1740, the country was moving towards appalling social crisis. In the countryside, mealstocks of thousands of families were already exhausted. Mass vagrancy became the norm as the rural poor flocked to the cities for relief. By mid-June the streets of Cork “were so covered with beggars that there is no passing for them.” London press reported that the poor in Cork were beginning to starve to death. Throughout summer, reports from Munster of virulent epidemics of fevers and smallpox. Grain price spikes caused food riots between starving poor and grain dealers, meal-mongers and bakers. Large, explosive riot in Dublin at end of May 1740. Several killed as troops from Royal Barracks restored order. Army patrolled streets for five days and nights. Grain prices remained stubbornly high throughout summer. Many arrests and trials against rioters. Violent skirmishes in towns throughout the country over summer 1740. Late August the much delayed harvest commenced and eased the scarcity somewhat. Wheat quality was very poor, oats somewhat better. Another riot in Dublin occurred in September but was less bloody. Dairy cattle had been weakened by the frost and at least a third of them refused to breed. By autumn it was clear a drastic reduction in calves, milk and butter was coming. The country faced another hungry winter. Linen, salted beef, and pickeld butter were Ireland’s chief export earners, but an impending naval war with France lead to a proclamation barring export anywhere except Britain. Weather remained strange. A violent storm at the beginning of August on the even of harvest. September was full of storms and Blizzards swept the east coast in late September, blanketing Belfast in snow. Repeated heavy snows over most of the country in the following weeks. At least two storms in November were followed by rains, snow and frost. Massive rain on December 9, 1740 caused widespread flooding. Immediately after the floods, temperatures again plummeted accompanied by tremendous snows. Armagh reported two feet of snow, and frost five inches into the ground in County Cork. The rivers across the country again froze over. The extreme cold lifted after ten days, when temperatures sharply rose and another storm hit. Huge amounts of ice broke free on the rivers from the risen temperatures damaging docks and ships. The extreme weather again pushed food prices back up to famine levels. By December 20, 1740 wheat prices were at an all time high. Renewed panic set in and there were again riots in several port towns. Signs of full blown famine and epidemic were everywhere by December 1740. Dublin grain record price spikes prompted some public effort to reduce the price of grain. By January 12, 1741 some 2,902 Dubliners were being relieved each weekday. By March the number surged to 4,400 citizens being fed per day, but each citizen was restricted to three meals per week. Similar distributions occurred throughout the country. In Waterford, less than half the size of Dublin, 1,800 were being fed by March and “not one dies now for seven that used to die before it was set up.” Some wealthy families, such as the Barrys of east Cork, Bishop Berkeley of Cloyne, Theophilus Bolton of Cashel, Katherine Conolly of Castletown House, and John Mapas of south Dublin were noted for their conspicuous generosity. Catholic small land tenants died in great numbers. Commissioned construction projects helped some with income but many were too sick or too weak to work. By the beginning of 1741 the months of bad food, under-nourishment and unsanitary conditions brought on deadly disease on an epidemic scale. Four distinct diseases were noted during the crisis—smallpox, the bloody flux (dysentery), malignant or spotted fever (typhus), and intermittent fever (probably relapsing fever). They began in 1740, with child killing small pox first, linked to the long drought that spring, dysneteries spread next from July 1740, and fevers arriving in autumn. Bacillary dysentery peaked in winter 1740-41 with “Great numbers of poor people daily die of fluxes… owing to their wretched food.” A week before Christmas 1740 in north Cork “small pox and fever swept away great numbers… and now the flux rages in every part of this county”. A correspondent from Drogheda noted in early January 1741 that “poor people… die in great numbers from fevers and fluxes. One poor man buried eight of his family in a few days…. the havoc… in… Cork [and] Limerick… hath been incredible.” Dysentery was the primary scourge in the southern counties up until spring of 1741. Survival chances of children were even worse than the adults. In some families as many as a third of those affected seem to have died. Typhus flared in the final months of 1740. Fevers swept the country inspiring of 1741 “so malignant that the victims lie dead for several days before they are buried…. the poorer sort die like rotted sheep.” Typhus, unlike dysentery spreadable by lice, could jump class barriers. Spring of 1741, death and destruction reached apocalyptic proportions. “[T]he dead have been eaten in the fields for want of people to bury them. Whole thousands in a barony have perished…. I have seen the aged father eating grass like a beast… the helpless orphan exposed on the dunghill, and none to take him for fear of infection… the hungry infant sucking at the breast of an already expired parent.” Physicians considered the disease levels akin to plague and refused to visit no matter what fee was offered. The jails, swelled with prisoners from riots and food theft, were a notorious breeding ground for all classes of fever. Food riots again in Dublin, and in Sligo, and Carrick-on-Suir in spring of 1741. In Carrick, soldiers opened fire and killed five of the rioters. In June 1741, at the Dublin Workhouse more children died than were admitted into it (approximately 700). Violent storms hit in January 1741 and spring weather was “serene, dry, frosty and dusty… blasting and burning the grass.” The dry conditions caused more town fires in April and May. Rains did not abate the drought until June. Ulster fared slightly better than the rest of the country because the rural diet was not as dependent on the potato, but rather on oatcake, course bread and stirabout and the local economy was better able to draw on a network of commercial food exchanges. Grain imparted from America constituted 4/5 of the imports in the first year of the crisis. By spring of 1741 grain import value was 5x what it had been the prior year. September 1741 exceptional floods hit Leinster. The quality of the 1741 harvest was mixed—grains abundant, but oats and potatoes in many districts were inadequate due to the drought. But the food crisis was over. The crisis lasted 21 months, with commentators opining that “Ireland will not recover this heavy blow in a half century.” It is not entirely clear how many of Ireland’s approximately 2.4 million inhabitants did not live to tell the tale. Estimates at the time ranged from a third to nearly half. No hospital or poor house records survive. But fragmentary burial numbers exists for some parishes. The most deadly months were actually during the frost itself when hypothermia and cold-related infections tripled the normal death rate. As early as April 1740, mass graves became necessary to keep up with the dead. Burial records during the crisis years were 4x the preceding two year average. “[S]everal whole families have died, and that [of] others that consisted of four, five or six persons, only one of a family has been left alive.” Based on hearth tax evidence, it has been estimated that between 310,000 to 480,000 out of a total of 2.4 million perished. Strangely, mass emigration does not seem to have taken place. Though a Belfast vessel is recorded to have left with 180 passengers only to arrive in New York with “with great numbers [having] died on the voyage, the rest sick and almost starved….” In terms of relative casualties the 1740-41 frost and famine were more severe than the famine of 1845. The pre-famine population in 1845 was 3x as large as that in 1739. And the later famine was spread over 6 years, whereas the Great Frost was concentrated in little more than a year and a half.
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Deni Price
June 19 @ 6:58am
agreed, much appreciation for posting
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Garth Graham
June 20 @ 6:27am
Check this out. It’s only $920 for a paperback version of this book on Amazon lol https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01K3HA6HG?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-win10-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
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Elizabeth McKeown
June 20 @ 1:15pm
John, thanks very much for summarising this info. It’s a fascinating piece of Irish history, which is largely excluded from the narrative. For anyone living in NI, the book is available to borrow through Libraries NI. There are 13 copies spread around the various branches, including Belfast, Derry and Armagh. Available only, of course, when the libraries open again. For anyone who can’t wait, there are copies on Amazon selling for a bit less than $920!
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Patience West
June 22 @ 7:51am
My Antrim, Ireland Immigrant Ancestors, Walter Trimble and Rosannah Atten, seemed to have come to America before 1835 (first child was born then in America), having barely escaped this horror. However, knowing their families were still there to endure this is hard to think of. I wish I could find their families and see who survived/didn’t survive. I had no idea this had ever happened! Thank you for posting! I’d only ever heard of the Potato Famine in the 1840’s, which is when my 4th Great-Grandmother on a different line, Catherine Donoghue (Hanratty), came from County Kerry, Ireland to NOLA. BTW- Copies of this book are now at $75 and less on Amazon, haha! Still- a lot of money. Glad I could read about it for free here!
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Dennis Todd
June 20 @ 1:25pm
Please a link to join the group. We have 4 members on the group and we have 3 more to add but cant find group on search page. Thank You Dennis Todd
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Craig Nelson (Bell)
June 20 @ 2:33pm
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Maurice Gault has a question!
June 18 @ 10:34pm
“On my mothers side of the family I’m tracking Thomas Neil, who was born in Co Tyrone about 1835, had a son Alexander in 1874, and apparently shortened name to Neil when moved to Belfast. I did find in Ireland Genealogy Thomas Arneil born in 1833, but am uncomfortable making the connection. Can anyone help? ”
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John O’Rourke has a question!June 15 @ 5:56pm
“Any McKechnie family in the Ballintoy area? My gg grandmother, Elizabeth McKechnie moved to Scotland where she married William O’Rourke who was from Drumlane in Co. Cavan. Scottish records state that Elizabeth McKechnie was born in Ballintoy c. 1818. But I can’t find any evidence of McKechnies in Ballintoy around that time. I’m wondering if the family name was actually “McConnaughey” but morphed into McKechnie when the familty moved to Scotland. McConnaugheys were actually quite common in the Ballintoy area. Any advice would be most welcome. ”
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Mark Elliott
June 15 @ 8:01pm
Elizabeth “Betty” McKechnie 1831–1890 BIRTH ABT. 1831 • County Antrim, Northern Ireland or County Cavan, Ireland DEATH 05 FEB 1890 • Shorter, Bank, Lochee, Dundee, Angus, Scotland William O’Rourke 1821–1877 BIRTH ABOUT 1821 • County Cavan, Ireland DEATH 11 SEP 1877 • Lochee, Angus, Scotland https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/102201060/person/282193161630/facts Name William Rourke Birth 1821 Co. Cavan, Ireland Marriage Marriage to: Elizabeth Rourke (born McKechnie) Nov 9 1840 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Residence Elizabeth residing at same residence. Age of William shown as 1820. Elizabeth at same residence shown to be born in Ireland c. 1823. Also residing was Owen Rourke age 25 b. Ireland (Owen is Scottish for John). John married Jane Aitkan on 12 Feb 1849., East Crosshill, Renfrewshire, Scotland June 6 1841 Residence Relation to Head of House: Head, Liff and Benvie, Angus, Scotland 1861 Death Sep 11 1877 Lochee, Dundee, Angus, Scotland https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-293621021-3-30/william-rourke-in-myheritage-family-trees?s=505921671
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Mark ElliottJune 15 @ 6:46pm
For image enlargement; right click on image then open in new tab. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html Example of matching surname McCALL; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3614098?dpr=2&fit=max&h=499&w=590 Note genetic distance mainly consistent for 2 off 25 markers.
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Mark ElliottJune 15 @ 6:02pm
https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/327/mode/2up https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Thomas Black, Co Maguire became Ulster Co Fermanagh. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Scottish-settlements-in-North-Carolina-before-the-Revolution.jpg Neil Armstrong line of Ulster, then Langholm, Scotland, would likely be considered a Black Armstrong.
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 11:23am
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John WilkinsonMarch 25 @ 12:59pm
Interesting passage on Norse place names in Ireland (I can’t remember source, I will find it and add it later. UPDATE– this is from a paper titled “Norwegians in Ireland” by Jans Jakob Assmussen, see http://www.aughty.org/pdf/norwegians_ireland.pdf): Places in Ireland mentioned in the Sagas, but which formerly could not be traced, have recently been pointed out by the aid of the Irish records. The “Kongespeil” states, for instance, that Saint Diermitius had a church on a small island, “Misdredan” or “Inisdredan,” in the lake “Logherne.” This island is evidently “Inisdreckan” in Lough Erne, where formerly St. Diermitius actually had a church. Subsequent transcribers of the book have clearly enough transformed Inisdreckan into Inisdredan, Misdredan, &c. The same has been the case with the celebrated King Brian Boroimha’s castle, which, by a mistake in copying, is called in the Sagas “Kanntaraborg” or “Kunjáttaborg,” instead of “Kanncaraborg.” Brian Boroimha’s castle, so celebrated in the Irish songs and legends, was called in Irish “Ceann-Caraidh” (pronounced Cancara), and was situated on the river Shannon, not far from Limerick. To the Irish Cancara the Norwegians, therefore, only added the Scandinavian termination “borg.” Again, it is stated in the Sagas that one could sail from Reykjanæs in Iceland to “Jöllduhlaup” in Ireland, in about eight days, or, according to some readings, even in a much shorter time. Formerly this place was sought on Lough Swilley, near Cape Malin, in the north of Ireland. But Jöllduhlaup, which signifies “the course or breaking of the waves,” is merely a translation into Icelandic of the Gaelic name “Corrybracan” (Coire Breacain), whereby the Gaels denote a whirlpool between the little island of Rathlin (or Raghrin) and the north-easternmost part of Ireland (the county of Antrim). That the ancient Icelanders designated this precise spot in Ireland is owing in all probability to the circumstance that the island of Rathlin was in the olden times the chief station in the passage from Ireland to Scotland, and as such the rendezvous for a number of merchants and other travellers. Lastly, Snorre Sturlesön relates that in the beginning of the eleventh century a desperate naval battle was fought between the Orkney jarl Einar and the Irish king “Konofögr,” in Ulfrek’s, or Ulfkel’s, Fiord, on the coast of Ireland. The situation of this fiord, or firth, was entirely unknown until it was lately discovered that in a document issued by the English-Irish king John in the year 1210, the Firth Lough Larne, on the east coast of Ireland, about fourteen miles north of Belfast, was at that time still called “Wulvricheforð,” which agrees most accurately with the Icelandic name “Ulfreksfjörðr.” By a remarkable coincidence, a skeleton was dug up a little while previously just on the shores of Lough Larne, together with a pretty large iron sword, having a short guard and a large triangular pommel at the end of the hilt; the form of which sword (as I shall prove) was not Irish, but pure Scandinavian, like that of the swords used towards the close of heathenism in the North. There is every probability that the skeleton and sword belong to one of the Scandinavian warriors who fell in the above-mentioned battle, and who was afterwards buried on the shore. Thus both the exhumed antiquities, and the lost but re-discovered name of the place, contribute to corroborate the credibility of Snorre Sturlesön’s account. Both the Irish and the Scandinavian records agree that Norwegians and Danes were settled in Ireland at a very early period. The Vikings are said to have ravaged its coasts for the first time in the year 795; and in the ninth century many of them were already settled in the country. Amongst the men who, at the close of the ninth and beginning of the tenth century, first colonized Iceland, several Irishmen, or rather descendants of Norwegians settled in Ireland, are mentioned; as, for instance, Thormod and Ketil Bufa, Haskel Hnokkan, who was descended from the Irish king Kjarval, besides others. Intermarriages between the Norwegians in Ireland and the native Irish seem to have taken place from the very first; which explains the circumstance that many men in Iceland bore at an early period Irish names, such as Kjaran and Niel or Njäll.
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John Wilkinson
May 3 @ 1:02pm
If you are U106, I’d wager you are Norse-Gael, Stephen. There were significant Norse-Gael enclaves in Connaught during the Viking age (and many other places). Their rapid mobility by boat makes pinning down a location of origin difficult too.
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Stephen Griffin
May 24 @ 7:42am
Thanks John. I’ll take your wager 😉 I have suspicion you’re right, pinning it down to “know for sure” becomes the quest. Whether I find positive results or it is refuted, it’s still worth the time and effort to research and go further. Obviously it helps when more people test at higher levels too. I’m also in the Walters surname project because it seems ~1000-1750+ years ago we likely connect somehow. In the surname project, just like any project, we are grouped. The group I belong to has nearly a dozen people connected to a common ancestor (unknown who though). Only 3 of the dozen or so have tested at y500 or y700. Others simple have markers similar to us 3. I wish the rest in that group would test higher to help dive deeper, but we can’t persuade everyone and we all have different finances and goals as well. I’d love to be able to get closer to more “discovered” and “known” facts through DNA though.
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Mark Elliott
June 10 @ 11:40am
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilken,1890:Wilkens,1890:Wilk,1890:Wilksen https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Wilkinson.png
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Mark Elliott
June 13 @ 9:16am
Note; John Wilkinson of ONeallan (O’Neal Land), F. Estate Satcheuerall Co Armagh 1630. (from “such as Kjaran and Niel or Njäll.”)
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Mark ElliottMay 30 @ 11:45am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3598277?dpr=2&fit=max&h=312&w=590 Wm Moore to Jno Moor, may want to consider this model; https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Moor Approximately 22,579 people bear this surname MOST PREVALENT IN: Germany HIGHEST DENSITY IN: Switzerland https://forebears.io/surnames/moor Quaker Colleges; Swarthmore College (Swarthmore, PA) Guilford College (Greensboro, NC) Earlham School of Religion (IN) William Penn University (Oskaloosa, IA) Richard Milhous Nixon, of County Tyrone, and the Scottish-English Borders attended Quaker; Whittier College (Whittier, CA) https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:M%C3%BClhaus,1890:Moor Milhaus is a place name in Scotland towards North Ireland; https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000436#zoom=9&lat=4854&lon=2277&layers=BT Nixon and Ellott (Scottish of Angus no English/French ‘i’), in Tyrone muster of 1610. http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html (note; surname Steele) The Nixon lived among the Redheugh/Larriston Elwald/Ellot of Steele in Liddesdale in 1540; http://clancrozier.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Nixsoun-Nixon.jpg Were Germans living among Quakers such as in German Town Philadelphia, Penn. Need to pay attention to your surname matches in order to make conclusions.
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William Moore
June 13 @ 8:42am
Thank you. I had not seen this map.
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William Moore
June 13 @ 8:43am
Thank you. I had not seen this map.
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pamela rodgersJune 13 @ 7:38am
I’m keen to find out about my heritage but keep hitting brick walls. I have tested my own, my brother and my mothers dna, my mtdna results came in and I haven’t a clue what to do with them, I was placed in the halo group, H6a1ab so can anyone shed any light on this, thanks in advance of replies Pamela Rodgers kit number B497957
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Hugh McCabeJune 12 @ 8:54pm
Hey All, I’ve just joined the group with my Y-111, Big 700 pending. I am McCabe who’s family hails from the Leitrim/Fermanagh area, and my earliest verified patrilineal ancestor is a Hugh McCabe of Fermanagh, born in 1840. I would love to find my grouping so let me know if there is anything I can do to contribute to that. Thank you all!
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Deni PriceJune 11 @ 12:20pm
I’m tracking my mtdna and I’ve hit a brick wall—–My 3rd great grandmother Violet Paralee West b. 1863/64 in Mount Ida Montgomery, Arkansas. She died in her early 30’s of breast cancer. I even have a photo of her but everyone I’ve written to on ancestry has no idea where it came from. I’ve been researching for 2 years but no idea who her parents are. I have 1 match on ftdna in this particular group (Mcintyre/Thompson) but I really have no idea on where to go from here. I’ve read we have a rare mtdna-k1b1a
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Garth Graham
June 11 @ 3:53pm
I would imagine you have already joined the k haplogroup project? If not that’s what you should do.
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Deni Price
June 12 @ 11:44am
Yeah, didn’t know that…..will do….thanks
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Mark ElliottJune 10 @ 11:22am
Remind anyone of anything? (for the Y-DNA to be valid, the history has to be correct) How Johnston, Armstrong, and Elliott surnames became in the top 5 of County Fermanagh (Maguire; Mag-Uidhir/M(a)cGuire), in North of Ireland. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Peace-On-The-Border.mp3 Peace on the Border Song by Steeleye Span Lyrics; After the riding we dispersed, We drifted home in twos and threes. Through cold and rain we spat and cursed, This ancient war of families. Armies past and then returned, They killed and raped, they stole and burnt. So from the cradle we have learnt, To be as hard as stone. And learned to stand alone. They are gone now, the killing and disorder, They’re just ghosts now, the brigand and marauder. And we give thanks for peace on the border, We give thanks for peace on the border. Cloak and dagger, crime on crime, Anarchy in the borderlands. The king’s men came with a valentine, To break to power of the border clans. Some were hung, some sent away, To Ireland and the low countries. Great was the price they had to pay, God bless their memory, And god bless you and me. The broken towers that stand today, Stand for peace and order. Reminding us until the day, That we need no more borders. Source: Musixmatch Songwriters: Rick Kemp Peace on the Border lyrics © Peermusic (uk) Ltd. Available on Play Music Apple Music Deezer iHeartRadio Description Artist: Steeleye Span Album: Back in Line Released: 1986 Genre: Rock https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Scottish-Clans-Armstrong-BBC-Stewart-kings.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC-1.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-ArmstrongConverted-split-002731-002800-201704011351196358.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4 (in the Y-DNA) Armstrong (army strong).
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John McCracken
May 23 @ 5:54pm
50748 R-BY157599 Please group new member Ray (N43805, R-BY158603) with the other McCracken kits. Thank you for your help, and the time you give to this project. https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=3969
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John McCracken
May 29 @ 10:37pm
Please group new member Ray (N43805, R-BY158603), now under R1b, with the other McCracken kits. In addition to the Big Tree link, above, DNA Results in the McCracken project, Group B-3, show that he shares 111 STRs with McCracken kit 504959.
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Bonny Cook
June 3 @ 12:12pm
Hi John, Ray is now in R1b McCracken. Sorry for the delay in fixing this account. Bonny
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John McCracken
June 3 @ 8:38pm
Not a problem, Bonny. Thank you for volunteering time to this project between the tasks you really need to do.
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Brandt Anderson
April 30 @ 7:51pm
Hi, I’m trying to delve more into my Irish ancestry done my paternal grandmother’s line. They are my 5th great-grandparents. I have an idea of when they emigrated from Ireland as two sources mention their names and roughly when they came over and which part of Ireland. But not much else other than a possible marriage record. William Glenny ( 17 MAR 1778 Armagh county, Ireland – 20 MAR 1857 Lebanon, OH, USA) married to Mary West (17 MAR 1777 Armagh county, Ireland – 4 MAR 1855 Lebanon, OH, USA) According to a biography on their son, West Glenny (not my direct ancestor) they came to America in 1800 settling in Salem Co., NJ. Around 1820, they moved to Warren Co., OH. On someone’s FamilySearch there seems to be a document that states a William Glenny married a Mary West on 1800 in Newry, County Down, Ireland. The direct relation to me is: William & Mary > John Glenny 1808 – 1841 & Jane Murphy 1812 – 1885 > Dr. William Murphy Glenny 1838 – 1898 & Mary Elizabeth Mount 1838 – 1906 > William Mount Glenny 1866 – 1925 & Ella Maud Robb 1868 – 1951 > William Robb Glenny Sr 1899 – 1996 & Dorothy Ellen Van Alstine 1904 – 1990 > Vernon R H Anderson 1928 – 2012 & Ellen Louise Glenny 1932 -2012 > Eric W R Anderson & Annalisa Martin > Me Hopeful for some distant connections but mostly I’m looking for better sources or even just where to look in regards to my Irish ancestors. Any advice would be most appreciative. Here are some of the sources I’ve found that had mention of William and Mary from Ireland: http://iagenweb.org/monroe/Bios/williamglenny.html The History of Warren County, Ohio page 740 or just go to the below link: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/94989796?p=25745869&returnLabel=Mary%20West%20(G3QW-KK8)
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Mark Elliott
May 23 @ 3:18pm
Brandt Anderson Family are they Methodists or Episcopalian?
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Brandt Anderson
May 25 @ 4:03pm
Mark Elliot Not entirely sure. My grandmother, Ellen Glenny, was Episcopalian. And I believe I recently found marriage records on William & Mary Glenny’s son, Joseph, that suggests they were Episcopalian.
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Elizabeth McKeown
May 30 @ 12:44pm
Brandt, have you looked the Freeholders’ records on the PRONI website? These are lists of land-owners/tenants who were entitled to vote – a kind of a census substitute, for at least some of the population. They cover the late 1700s up to around 1840. These records have 98 Glennys listed, many located around the Newry area. Common first names listed are William, John, George and Issac. Who knows, one of these could be the father of your William? It’s a tedious task, but if you go through these records it might be possible to identify geographical clusters and geographical patterns, as well as possible kinship between the various Glennys. Narrowing down a location might also help you identify the church where William and Mary were married. If you are lucky their marriage record might be available in the church records, though if you aren’t here in Ireland you might need to request a lookup. The location of the townlands listed in the Freeholders’ records can be found on the maps at www.irishtownlands.ie. There are also Glennys around Newry appearing later in the 19th C. Griffiths Valuation. Here you can marry up the specific GV record with an actual location on the Ordnance maps. The maps are also available on the GV site. The Ordnance maps show both the land holding and an outline of the farm buildings. A contemporary Google satellite map can be rolled over the top to see whats on the site today. It’s fascinating.
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Cynthia Pickett
May 30 @ 2:26pm
Interesting story; I was born in Warren, Ohio myself.
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William Moore
May 30 @ 9:04am
I have just joined this project and appreciate the opportunity to work with you. I am trying to finish a 30 year book effort on my Moore ancestors. After years of work I believed I was of the O’Moore’s of County Laois until I was rejected in their project. Current thinking is my Moore’s due to the Big Y700 results and migration trends (my earliest ancestor to date was John Moor who died in Guilford Co., NC in 1797) might well be from the North of Ireland instead. That I am now focusing upon and would welcome any help.
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Georgina Boyd
May 29 @ 11:54am
FINNEY, baird, Shaw, Acheson And McKissock anyone researching James Finney married Margaret Anne Acheson. WILLIAM Finney Married Margaret Shaw parents Letitia Baird Haw AND Alexander Shaw I want to see if I can make a connection between William Finney and James Finney as I think they may have been brothers hence why my grandmother was christened Margaret Anne Acheson Finney she was named after her aunt and the pattern seems to continue my dad was Alexander Shaw and my uncle was William Acheson. My Granny’s sister were called Agnes Jane and Helen Letitia and her brother was Alexander Shaw Finney. I WOULD LIKE TO TRY and connect to anyone researching these names Letitia Shaw died 1925 they lived in 35 Fountain Street Downpatrick.
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Mark Elliott
May 29 @ 10:31pm
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Georgina Boyd has a question!
February 17 @ 10:44am
“I have discovered my grandmother Margaret Anne Acheson Finney was related to Acheson from Dungannon they kept poultry my aunt Margery and her Finney cousins were evacuated to Dungannon during the war I am wondering are their any Acheson relations out there don’t have a first name for my dad’s paternal Grandmother ”
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Alaine Kier
March 16 @ 7:37am
I have a Cassidy line but they are from County Fermanagh
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John Curran
March 17 @ 2:42pm
Yes Georgina, small world indeed!!! I did find Jim’s book very useful and a great background to the family.
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Georgina Boyd
May 22 @ 11:44am
A have discovered that my Acheson and Shaw relations hailed from around Dungannon my paternal grandmother people run a poultry business in Dungannon area. During war the Finney and Lockhart children were sent to Dungannon to stay with their grandmother the Shaw name also eminates from there would like to find my dad’s grandparents on his mums side and are there any Acheson descendants still around the area
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Georgina Boyd
May 28 @ 3:30pm
Whoa made a few awesome discoveries Dungannon was a red herring but it lead Mt to the Ireland XO group and I now know my great grandmother was Margery Shaw and she married William Finney who was a coachmaker and made and repaired wheels the resided in Fountain Street and appear in 1901 Abd 1911 census they lived with Margeryss father Alexander Shaw and his wife Letitia née Bailie Letitia died young in her early 50s.I now know why dad’s called Alexander Shaw we discovered that William Finney came from Lanarkshire his mother was Bromley married to Finney I also discovered a James Finney in Antrim Area married to a Margaret Anne Acheson we discovered that Letitia Bailie Shaws father was a Robert Bailie married to Agnes Jane McKissock MY grandmother’s sister was named Agnes Jane so am wondering if we are on the right track. I THINK William and James may have been brothers and am going to see if I can make the link with his wife’s name Margaret Anne Acheson Finney and my grandmother who was christened Margaret Anne Acheson Finney was she named after an aunt so many questions ohh to have answers
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Mark ElliottMay 24 @ 6:27pm
Still having difficulties with a Union of Scotland and England desecrating my homelands and home place, which were meant for protection as a Middle Shires. This desecration, and the check points between the EU and Brexit are a form of a continence of genocide of a race of border people not being recognized between Scotland and England and in Ireland between the EU and Brexit. One would not think the the Armstrong and Buccleuch of Langholm, along with the Elliot of Hawick, after 500 years would still have to defend the Hermitage Castle from Scotland’s Ministry’s Windy Edge proposed wind farm. https://www.countrylife.co.uk/news/wind-farm-battle-over-scottish-castle-6273 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-chief.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4 http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg
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Owen Cummins
May 26 @ 7:05am
Do you have a Y-DNA? I match a lot of Elliotts at Y111.
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Mark Elliott
May 26 @ 8:46am
My Y-DNA is so rare among Elliott is has been vanquished with the ‘Cowie’ of Gorrenberry. https://elwald.com/cowie-of-goranberry/ Also quite rare among any surname group that admins use it’s rarity as a way to dismiss me, though the first two individuals to have their genomes fully mapped carried R-U106 Y-DNA also. Have been doing genealogy for over a half century, am a second generation genealogist, worked as a mine engineer, retired from teaching computer programming, science, and mathematics to mainly Navajo. My colleges and department heads at the level taught UNM-Gallup, and secondary were international, and the students indigenous Americans. My community of Gallup, NM is quite patriotic, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Gallup-NM-Most-Patriotic-Small-Town-in-America-Rand-McNally-Best-of-the-Road-Submission.mp4 We in Gallup, and I religiously as written in my nation’s constitution the of speech, and necessity to any FTDNA feed to be searching family history and a part of my Quaker spirituality, of one being lead not leading or suppressing information given. Not on the Elliot(t) FTDNA site though I carry an Elliott FTDNA Y-DNA, be excluded by someone of a nation my ancestors separated from in 1776, which nation flies the flag of Border Family genocide, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 and of this family grouping; Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier. Like Armstrong and Nixon, believe in world peace; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 Though my home has been at time quarantined from the Navajo Nation; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Gallup-NM-Most-Patriotic-Small-Town-in-America-Rand-McNally-Best-of-the-Road-Submission.mp4 Though wife is a veteran she works at Gallup Indian Medical Center, retired from Indian Health Service she is working as a civilian dietitian. To do genealogy, one has to accept the other is right about their family. Censoring supplied family information not manner how annoyed one may be at it make one an anti-genealogists. Ladies seem to make the best family genealogists. They seem to extract information, which pertains to there family, and do not get so offended by context. With Y-DNA carrying genealogists, given two the one which censors information is not a genealogists, but the one which extracts the family information is. Only when families speak freely about their families do people get accurate family history. Any censoring of family information provided except by the receiver which can close this page, makes the feed useless to the genealogists, but useful to the Harvard Profs, having people to paid for the data to become ‘lab rats’ they are utilizing in their studies, this in the same manner Cotton Mather’s science to hang witches. If you like me know your SNP upstream and downstream, plus which group of Elliott you are matching, though their are extreme non-genealogists like an admin on the FTDNA which has censored me a number of times, which will say that I a second generation genealogist, retired computer-science-math instructor, should be silenced in the manner Hitler silenced Jews, if you will allow a modern day family genealogists, and amateur like golf Bobby Jones give you and answer I would be most honored if my freedoms which my nation so prizes of speech which is one of them is not censored by one of these so called genetic genealogists. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ He is referenced by the German Wiki which does not like the English Wiki censor him, or me; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot Census data shows many of County Fermanagh likely because of THE TROUBLES migrated to West Germany; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott On Daniel Elliot Y-DNA Cluster https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Daniel-Elliot-cluster.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DNA-analysis-verses-the-genealogy-of-Framingham-MA-vitals-1024×434.jpg Great Grandfather Daniel Elliot, Tullykelter, Co Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Self explanatory something a non-genealogical geneticists may not know; ONE DOES NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR ANCESTORS If someone chooses to censor because I am doing ancestral family history on the ancestors I was born with in accordance to genetic science, and not the genetics of Hitler’s Superior Race, Harvard or Cotton Mather Puritan ‘status quo’, making family historians using their Y-DNA being LAB RATS and you do not allow this then you are not genetic or genealogists.
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A Hawick Word Book-Douglas Scott.pdf (ubc.ca)
The family Buie – Scotland to North America PDF
A Vermont Moose Visits Paris in 1787
Durham NH Archives – New England Historical Society
The family Buie – Scotland to North America PDF
A Vermont Moose Visits Paris in 1787
Durham NH Archives – New England Historical Society
Семья Армстронга, Эллиота, Никсона и Крозье родом с шотландской границы.
Когда Никсон разговаривал с Армстронгом на Луне, они имели в виду мир.
H27a: found in Ireland, northern Germany, Sweden, Finland and northern Russia
FTDNA Kit # 101829 mtDNA genealogy of the mother’s mothers line;
mom; Alma Anne Barna Elliott 31 Jul 1925 – 22 Oct 1917
grandma; Joanna Teresa ‘Josephine’ Ryan Barna 12 Sep 1884 9 Apr 1939
great gandrandma; Anne Murphy Ryan 6 May 1850 4 Jun 1933
great great grandma; Julia J Smith Murphy b Abt 1822-1897
great great great grandma; Pauline Croak Smith b Abt 1798
FTDNA mtDNA located most distant relative MDR at Dublin, Ireland.
…..tested the Y-chromosomal DNA and mitochondrial DNA of the exhumed remains of the Renaissance astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus. They established that he belonged to mt-haplogroup H27 (defined by the mutations 16129A and 16316G).
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml
FTDNA Kit # 101829 mtDNA RESULTS; Haplogroup – H27a rCRS Values;
HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS 16093C, 16129A, 16316G, 16519C, and
HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS 263G, 315.1C.
569 positions in HVR1, and 475 positions in HVR2 REFERENCE SEQUENCE, showing that I’m related to Niclolaus Copernicus. Since tested through FTDNA; Kit # 101829 the mtDNA results are easily verifiable, and readily available. This is unlike my Yseq # 4069 of SNP, which FTDNA excludes. May be they do not want improprieties to show up in the testing. If this is the case then not allowing Yseq transfers, brings into question the level of accuracy in the FTDNA SNP testing.
Born with what you have, and I can not help being mtDNA X-DNA, Irish and Finnish on my mother’s side that is.
Realized this with Y-DNA branch point of Daniel Elliot, being a refugee of the Trials of Salem Village, Massachusetts. If you tell people that the sun is at the center (not this time the Oxford spelling “centre”, I go by the Webster spelling of “center”) of the solar system, they do not want to believe you.
5/14/2018 MSE
Anglo-Saxons in Eastern Europe (v-stetsyuk.name)
The Border Reivers – The Curse BBC – Cumbria Features
The ‘Scots Irish’ E-M35 DNA Marker (April 2023) | Scottish Origenes: scottish ancestry, scottish genealogy, scottish clan map
Gorrenberry – Posts
Posts – Elwald
Brigham This is the Place’ genealogy with DNA applied – Gorrenberry
Barbadian Banishment: The forgotten Irish of the world’s newest republic – The Irish Times
ACT OF THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT 1587 (clanthompson.org)
* Middle March
* Elliotts
* Armstrongs
* Nicksons
* Crosiers
* West March
* Scotts of Ewesdale
* Batesons
* Littles
* Thomsons
* Glendinnings
* Irvings
* Bells
* Carruthers
* Grahams
* Johnstons
* Jardines
* Moffats
* Latimers
17 Clans
Guy Hewitt:Barbados remembers Scots heritage on St Andrew’s Day (scotsman.com)
Uncategorized – Clan Crozier
70 maps that explain America – Vox
POW Hamiltonian Scottish Royalist, were indentured slaves to the Cromwellian Puritans, that is why the West Indies is not Presbyterian, but (Alexander) Hamiltonian Anglican Royalists. The Armstrong an Elliott of Co. Maguire (Co. Fermangh), married into the Irish, then the Africans of the West Indies. The surname Crozier has Anglican – Catholic influence, which are my in-laws. Rev. Parris, of a Puritan Barbados Plantation family. His Caribbean Indian slaves left testimony in the Salem Witch Trials. Daniel Elliott was most likely half Natick Praying Indian of Rev. John Eliot, Eliot Hall, Harvard, married to the Cloyse-Littlefield line of Wells, Maine. Son, Daniel at time of testimony March 30, 1692 Daniel and Hannah (Anna Elliott), son Daniel would be a quarter Natick.
The Armstrong and Elliott of Co. Fermangh (Maguire) have tribal tendencies. The Elliot’s 29th chief is Margaret of Redheugh, Scotland just south in Copeshaw-Holme (Newcastleton) of the Hermitage Castle. The Puritan Cromwellian sold us as slaves because we would inter marry and spread around the world. When Maxwell sided with England the Graham, the Armstrong, and Elliot and others sided with the Johnstone. Like to see what will happen to the EDF and Muirhall if they side with England, and Family Tree DNA if they side with the Union-Jack, trying to preserve my family’s history around the Hermitage Castle. and for both sides of the border to be of one entity. If both sides can not be European Union, then they need to be the Irish of Saint Patrick which chased those Tory snakes out of Ireland, like my ancestors chased them out of America. No border in Ireland dividing the Maguire, Johnston, Armstrong, McManus, or Elliott. There are enough things which break-up families we certainly do not need a border in Ireland.
Sincerely, Mark Stephen Elliott
边界会导致家庭争斗。
Mapping of Ulster-Scots (ulsterscotsacademy.com)
FTDNA Greenspan – Elwald
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch
Shadrack Kiptoo Biwott – Wikipedia
Chronicles of the Armstrongs; : Armstrong, James Lewis : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
google.com – search: GENEALOGY GARAGE Scottish Prisoners of War
Dunbar Castle & Mary, Queen of Scots (marie-stuart.co.uk)
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the … – Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
Robert Bruce Armstrong — the Irish and the Highland Harps (wirestrungharp.com)
Chronicles of the Armstrongs; : Armstrong, James Lewis : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Re: Elliotts of County Donegal – Genealogy.com
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the … – Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
Robert Bruce Armstrong — the Irish and the Highland Harps (wirestrungharp.com)
1545-1569 – Scotland. Privy Council – Google Books
named – Map your surname across the UK (publicprofiler.org)
Search the Muster Rolls (therjhuntercollection.com)
FamilyTreeDNA – Irwin Clan Surname Project (updated)
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the … – Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
FTDNA-101829-autosomal-Y-DNA-mtDNA.jpg (1226×944) (elwald.com)
Eliot Surname Origin, Meaning & Last Name History (forebears.io)
Discover the Eliot family with Your Family History (your-family-history.com)
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the …– Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
Acts of Scottish Parliament 1587 (Clan Thompson) pdf
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the … – Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
Chronicles of the Armstrongs; : Armstrong, James Lewis : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
The Annals of a Border Club (the Jedforest): And Biographical Notices of the … – George Tancred – Google Books
Fa ilk puir wife reivis her wob,
And all the lave,
Whatever they have:
The devil resave therefor his gob!
Discover the Green family with Your Family History (your-family-history.com)
Discover the Greene family with Your Family History (your-family-history.com)
RUSH99LSE
477.Emma Ona [RUSH] ELLIOTT) [9] [261. Aaron 8, Benjamin 7, James 6,
Benjamin II 5, Wm. IV 4, Wm. III 3, Wm. II 2, Wm. I 1] born 17 Nov 1867 in
Rice Twp, Ringgold Co, IA, and died in Mt Ayr, IA, 1 Aug 1963. She married 10
Jul 1887 in the Methodist parsonage in Mt Ayr to Alamando Wilcox ELLIOTT
born 11 May 1865 in Avon, Fulton Co, IL. His parents were Rev. Sherburn
Alamando and Louisa Marie [Mark] ELLIOTT. `Al’ came to Iowa at the age of
three. His father was a pioneer Methodist circuit rider in southeast Iowa and
family moved frequently until moving to Rice Twp in 1871 to farm. His
grandfather, Rev. William F. Mark, was also a pioneer Methodist circuit rider
also serving in Illinois and Iowa with his last charge in Redding, Ringgold Co, IA.
After marriage, Emma and `Al’ settled on farm purchased in 1890 from his
father in Rice Twp where they lived until they moved to Mt Ayr in 1915. They
purchased in 1907 an additional 40 acres on the west side of this initial 80 acre
farm. This farm was rented to their oldest son, Mark, in 1915 and they retired
to Mt Ayr. They sold this farm in 1934 to this son. Their home in Mt. Ayr was
located at the present site if the Clearview Care Home for senior citizens.
Emma was the first resident of this fine center. They were active members of
the Methodist Church, having joined at Eureka east of Delphos, IA. `Al’ at five
feet eleven inches towered over his five-foot three-inch father. He detested the
name `Alamando’ and much preferred his friends to call him `Al’ or `A.W.’ He is
remembered for his fine sense of humor and cheerful disposition, always seeing
the bright side of everything. He enjoyed quoting poetry – generally ending by
giving credit to an author that may or may not have existed. He chewed
tobacco, always ‘saucered’ his coffee, and said `grace’ before every meal. The
`carom board’ was always readily available when the grandchildren arrived for
overnight stays. Alice, felt she gave these for nothing. The railroad
bordered the north edge of their lots with a trestle bridge crossing the street
bordering them on the east. They owned one automobile purchased new – a
1928 Whippet. Emma did the driving as `Al’s eyesight was very poor, having
lost an eye at the age of nine when a boyhood friend accidentally struck him
with an axe while watching him chop wood. Their house had a well located in
the east porch and a cave just east between house and garage. East of the
garage was the commonly referred to `two holer’ with that adjacent to a low
ceiling hen house with both covered with grape vines. They kept about a dozen
Rhode Island Red hens that produced very few eggs. She always had a jar full
of thick sugar cookies that really weren’t very good but she was a tremendous
grandma! They both enjoyed gardening and had many peach trees. Children of
Emma and `Al’;
800. i. Florence Modessa Elliott b. 9 Apr 1888 d. 9 Sep 1984
801. ii. Avis L. Elliott b. 5 Oct 1889 d. 30 Oct 1890
802. iii. Mark (nmn)3 Elliott b. 13 Mar 1891 d 30 Nov 1976
803. iv. Rees Wells Elliott b. 3 Feb 1893 d. 13 Mar 1919
804. v. Ethel L. Elliott b. 12 Aug 1894 d. 21 Jan 1899
3Mark was given the surnames of his two grandmothers – Mark & Hammer. He detested this combination and had
his name legally changed to “Mark” with no middle name. Suspect he was teased about his name as a kid. LSE.
805. vi. Hazel Bernice Elliott b. 22 Jul 1897 d. 14 Sep 1985
806. vii. Gladys Marie Elliott b. 30 Nov 1901 d. 15 Nov 1978
807. viii. Alice Marguerite Elliott b. 7 Nov 1907 d. 7 Jun 1984
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Loren-S-Elliott-Rush-Family-Research-documents.pdf
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/misc-Rush-family_1-30.pdf
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Rush-Virginia-Kentucky-Iowa.pdf
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/misc-Rush-family_31-60.pdf
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Rush-Family.jpg
John Elwald of St. Andrews pdf
John & Robert Elwald of York Hexam pdf
Clan Crozier (electricscotland.com)
Family Tree DNA 的创始人贝内特·格林斯潘 (Bennett Greenspan) 在年轻时就对家谱学产生了浓厚的兴趣。对他的家族史来说更重要的是他从这些年长的亲戚那里获得的信息。家族史中最重要的是年长近亲的家族史。他们的 DNA 可以被采集和存储，但如果不像我父亲那样记录下来，他们的历史可能会丢失。
Capt John Allen Jr.
Briefly digressing, Capt. Allen’s brother, Rev. Thomas Allen of Norwich, England and Charlestown, Mass., was associate pastor of the Charlestown Church under Rev. Zachariah Symms. He m. 1) circa 1639 in Charlestown, Anna Sadler, widow of Rev. John Harvard, the namesake of Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass. and settled Harvard’s estate, which included the bequest that Rev. Harvard’s personal library be given to the then fledgling Harvard College.
Capt John Allen Jr. (1616-1675) – Find a Grave Memorial
Daniel Elliot, likely came back on the ship Rev. Thomas Allen traveled to London on.
Daniel Elliot
On Aug 4, 1682 Boston deed; Daniel Elliot Sr, father of Daniel Elliot Jr of the Salem Testimony,
Alexander sailed to America aboard the Liberty, a ship commanded by Captain John Allen. The liberty landed in Boston. Alexander paid for his passage with a six year bound labor contract with John Cloyes, also called indentured servitude.
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch
Guy Hewitt: Barbados remembers Scots heritage on St Andrew’s Day (scotsman.com)
Guy Hewitt – Wikipedia
The book of Scots-Irish family names – FamilySearch
FTDNA 101829 autosomal Y-DNA mtDNA – Elwald
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/elliott/links
and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot
For the Elliot and my father Loren Spencer Elliott: instead of;
https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot2.html could you please use;
https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot.html
Thank you
Mark Stephen Elliott
1/26/2024
Lidalia vel Lidisdalia regio, Lidisdail / Auct. Timotheo Pont. – Blaeu Atlas of Scotland, 1654 (nls.uk)
Scottish Poetry Selection – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me?
Chasing-my-Y-DNA-part-28
DNA是用于寻找家庭成员的众多工具之一。
ДНК — один из многих инструментов, используемых для поиска членов семьи.
DNA is one of many tools used to find family members.生活在来自亚洲的人们中间，似乎将沙皇和海啸中的“ts”声音带到了美国。这是第二波。 第一波是祖尼，还有东边的人，根据我的DNA，他们真的欢迎我的家人。祖尼人跳科曼奇舞，这表明DNA在他们的语言基础中。美国驼鹿一词来自该语言。
A statue in the middle of the “Richard Nixon Centennial” exhibit shows President Richard Nixon meeting with Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai in 1972, an important moment in his lifetime which was an effort to improve relations between the United States and the People’s Republic of China. Nixon’s visit to China was the first time a president had ever visited the nation, and was an unexpected first step to discussions that involved the Soviet Union.
///ADDITIONAL INFO /// KEVIN LARA, ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER – 0214.nixonexhibit – shot: 2/6/13 — ///
The Nixon Library is opening a new exhibition to commemorate President Nixon’s 100th birthday. It explores Nixon’s youth and rise to presidency, as well as important artifacts related to his life in the White House.
Elliot Chief receives a tribute to her grandmothers at Greenville, SC
Forty-eight Elliot Clan Society members participated in the Chief ís Dinner on Saturday evening during the Greenville Games.
During dinner, Elliot Clan Society member and South Carolina re-enactor, William Grissop, of Travelers Rest, South Carolina delivered a moving tribute to the Chief – honoring her Scottish Border and Southern Grandmothers. The Elliot Chief descends from a line of hereditary Chiefs back to the time of Robert the Bruce in the 1300s in Scotland. Through her Atlanta-born paternal grandmother, she also descends from many early South Carolina families who settled in that state before the American Revolutionary War. Here are the words Mr. Grissop shared with Margaret Elliott of Redheugh: Margaret Eliott is a daughter of the Scottish Borders, that fabled land that produced the men known as the Border Reivers or the Steel Bonnets. They were indeed men of steel. It need not be doubted that these men of steel sprang from, married and fathered women of steel. To even read casually of the Border history would make one wonder what sort of women were these who mothered, married and supported these men, the Steel Bonnets. These were strong women, resilient women, loving women. Were it not so, we of the Elliot Clan would not be here today. Our Chief, Margaret Elliott, is blood and sinew of these people. She is also blood and sinew of another proud line of strong women. Chief Margaret is also a Southern Girl! Her paternal grandmother was bornin Georgia and other grandmothers were born in South Carolina and Tennessee. (Being a native South Carolinian with much Georgia blood flow ing through my veins, I can readily state that this is about as much glory as one person can stand!) These women of the South have proven their glorious worth over the years.
Section B Bethís Newfangled Family Tree August 2008 Page 3
https://docplayer.net/45727391-Flagstaff-arizona-welcomes-macbains.html
John Boulton Dungannon Lord Viscount Powerscourt Tyrone c1630 Muster Rolls (therjhuntercollection.com)
November | 2022 | DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy (dna-explained.com) Gisburn
Memorials in Twiston Quaker Burial Ground – Find a Grave
Lancastria Atlas Christopher Saxton in 1576
Use to using a different format, but the above is and example of lands, including an insert-map showing Braidlee, from Anglo-Saxon Broadlee, meaning a valley broad on the leeward side. Wolflee also Anglo-Saxon, meaning the valley of the wolf. Yes, there were wolfs in the region. They introduced them around here and the Navajo grandmas shoot them for going after their sheep. Put chief Margaret Eliott raised in Stobs, but of Redheugh, in the same category if Scotland decides to reintroduce wolfs. Her husband seems to have a Polish wolfish type surname.
Though I may observe him, do not want to make any distinctive moves. Past British Army MI6 you know, but on the same family side.
May have bumped elbows on an Armstrong in the Aberdeenshire region. Finding that Eliott-Elliot may have land connection with Douglas-In-graham in region. Those Graham they are English an seem to not want to claim Armstrong-Elliot as family. Maybe the Nixon and Crozier seem to have English connections they find more acceptable.
Kind of like staying in the Forest with the Fosters, they are English and seem to be not offended to be related to Armstrong and Elliot, from the English side like those Grahams. It is the Hunter and wolf, for they are predators of the elk-moose, I must watch out for.
The Crozier seem to be Saxon along with the Thorleehope (valley of Thor, god of lightning Thunder Valley). A couple of Crozier seem to match their Y-DNA and are not R-L193. It seem like if you are not R-L192 and are R-U106, Anglo-Saxon they like to silence and exterminate you. Mark Stephen Elliott
Daniel as a forename is not popular in Scotland. Many great in accordance with Douglas Scott of BC, Canada, Dand Ellot was banished from both Kingdoms in 1607, then shows up as Daniel Elliott, in Tullykelter, Co. Fermanagh, Ireland, as part of the Somerville Estate in-law to the Monea Hamilton. Names Somerville, and Ellott show up in 1610 Tyrone Muster, and a generation later in the Co. Fermanagh, Muster. James Somerville shows up in bother musters. 1610 James Somerville had son 1630 Somerville. Scots alias nickname for Andrew is Dand, Irish English it becomes Daniel from surname of Daniel-M’Daniel it may be obtained. Ellot family of Tullykelter were Anglican but nomally Catholic, from forenames show this, even the name in 1610 Ulster Muster of Co. Fermanagh, Marke Ellot shows this. Before 1650 the Scots used Ellot not Elliot with the Norman ‘i’. Daniel Elliott name in 1692 Salem Trials was spelled Elot, the ‘i’ was added likely because of a John Eliot (Eliot Hall Harvard) which came over on the Mayflower. Had a relative to a George Soul who’s ancestor those Armstrong may have melted in lead at Ninestanerig, 9 stone ridge. Did not seem to care much for this Soulis either. The Douglas and Armstrong seem to like, and this Douglas Scott who is from BC, Canada is active with the Hoik-Hawick Archaeological Society, and has this younger brother who is active also, and sings Scottish Ballads with this group called Scocha (Scott-Chapman), do not know being an elk-moose if I care for his middle name of Hunter, though I think he also is weary of the hunter.
A Hawick Word BookDouglas Scott.pdf (ubc.ca)
A-1 Clade de Glendonwyn-surnames (gorrenberry.com)
History Ireland – Sheep stealers from the north of England: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell
For about 1630 Ulster muster of R. J. Hunter Collection: for Johnson, use Johnston, Scott use Scot, Elliot use Ellot, Irvine use Irwin.
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Hellenthal
https://www.google.com/maps/place/53940+Hellenthal,+Germany/@50.4186222,6.3085769,11z/
https://clancrozier.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Garrett-Hellenthal-The-Genetic-History-of-the-United-Kingdom-the-POBI-project.mp4
https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Garrett-Hellenthal-The-Genetic-History-of-the-United-Kingdom-the-POBI-project.mp4?_=1
Download Portable ScreenHunter Free 5.1.147 (softpedia.com)
http://home.kpn.nl/pu6qs9/ellot_clan.htm
The reason I present the screen is that different people get different screens. In genealogy on needs to research in the language of their ancestors or find someone who can. They are looking for new information which ties into their family lines. To teach technique though I try to use other families, on techniques of family. One is for the best research biased towards their own family.
Причина, по которой я представляю экран, заключается в том, что разные люди получают разные экраны. В генеалогии нужно исследовать язык своих предков или найти кого-то, кто может. Они ищут новую информацию, которая связана с их семейными линиями. Обучать технике хотя я стараюсь использовать другие семьи, на техники семьи. Одним из них является лучшее исследование, предвзятое к своей собственной семье.
Crozier / Crosier
Clan Crozier – Clan Crozier
Clan Crozier (crosier, croser, cros, etc.) is one of the border reiving clans of Scotland, along with the Armstrongs, Elliots, and Nixons. Some sources cite the surname as a sept of the Armstrong clan, but the Scottish Parliament in 1587 identified the Croziers as a middle march clan.
Крозье / Крозье
Clan Crozier – Clan Crozier
Клан Крозье (crosier, croser, cros и т.д.) является одним из пограничных кланов Шотландии, наряду с Армстронгами, Эллиотами и Никсонами. Некоторые источники ссылаются на фамилию как на септ клана Армстронгов, но шотландский парламент в 1587 году определил Крозье как клан среднего марша.
History Ireland
In Pennsylvania, Catholics hold a majority in the US Government, as State based on the concept of religious freedoms. In Des Moines, Iowa that Catholics south of Grand on the east side of 42nd Street, park in the parking lot of the Quakers on the west side. Though Charles II became Catholic on his death bed, my brother married to a Doyle refused to. Wife’s family were Catholic, she was raised Methodist. My family as Anglican fought against Cromwell on the side of the Catholics. The Catholics and Anglicans intermarried in Co Fermanagh, Ireland, but urbanized Catholics and Presbyterians, which I refer to as the Mc-Mac have brought their battlefield to the Irish Border and could very easily do so in the future. Am of the Middle March Clans, Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier, we were the ones which stood up for Queen Marie Stuart, The Queen of Scots, who was behead by Elizabeth I to keep England Protestant, plus her child James was taken by the Scottish Protestants which may make the EU-UK border another battlefield. Of the Border Reiver Pagans who are after extermination off the English-Scottish Border or exiled to Maguire-Fermanagh Co, Ireland though wants peace it still can become a UK battlefield.
Could the Catholic Church ask Rev William Nolan Archbishop of Glasgow, to extend his curse upon use Reivers of the Middle March, they Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier (the staff St. Patrick used to chase snakes out of Ireland). Since President Richard M. Nixon (raised Quaker), was noted to be the biggest liar, I am trying to top him since he pulled the troops out of Vietnam and opened trade to China, and many other things towards peace. It would be with great honor if I can top him among the Catholics of today as being a greater liar. May be as quarter of the world listen when Nixon talk to an Amstrong on the moon about peace on earth, maybe instead of calling us liars, they may want to believe in the Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon and Crozier, which support peace on the border, a on the border which they intermarried the Catholics, the EU-UK border. Sincerely, Mark Stephen Elliott
ftdna ulster heritage – Bing images
Ulster for FTDNA uploads. – Gorrenberry