Mark Elliott
19 hours ago
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Jan Van Kort
16 hours ago
Did anyone mention this before about the “reivers”? To rob, plunder, pillage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_reivers
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Mark Elliott
5 hours ago
Yes, I am descended from on of the most notorious ‘Thieves of Liddesdale’, Clementis Hobs ie Clement Crozier’s sister’s son Robert Elliott, and thank you for giving us a good name. https://inews.co.uk/light-relief/offbeat/1000-word-curse-caused-havoc-five-centuries-made-523270 Van Kort you can not hide your name behind the Dutch, you are still a ‘Little’, and many of your family carry an R-L193 like many Elliott, and Glendinning do from the valley of Meikledale, of the Glendinning, Scotland region; https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Old+Schoolhouse+-+Glendinning+Farm+Cottages/@55.2530267,-3.1060402,17z/ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Marker_for_the_Tower_of_Clan_Little.jpg/230px-Marker_for_the_Tower_of_Clan_Little.jpg https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meikledale+Lodge/@55.1579556,-3.0746435,10.23z/ Just because you carry that J-M172 you rode with us. Here is what a Nixon and an Armstrong did from the Scottish side Middle March like the Elliott and Crozier, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 It almost ruined our good name.
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Glen Foster
49 minutes ago
Well that curse explains a lot! LOL
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Mark Elliott
5 hours ago
Jérôme Gasnier https://forebears.io/surnames/gomer https://www.google.com/maps/place/14880+Colleville-Montgomery,+France/@48.0493441,-3.3312294,6.23z/ Gomer Surname Definition: (Hebrew) Perfect [Hebrew Gómer, from gámar, to perform] The sons of Japheth: Gomer . . .Gen. x. 2. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Montgomery,+UK/@52.5534015,-3.2062054,12.83z/ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Montgomerie_%281er_comte_d%27Eglinton%29 https://www.utahstandardnews.com/24-december-scots-book-of-days-hugh-montgomery-earl-of-eglinton-receives-remission-christmas-eve-1540-descendant-of-the-bruce-and-ancestor-great-grandfather-of-donald-trump-junior/ Hugh Montgomerie (1er comte d’Eglinton) : Haplogroupe J2a1-L26 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_haplogroupes_des_personnes_historiquement_connues
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Mark Elliott
Yesterday at 5:04pm
Want to show you Jan Van Kort and Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد زم what us Elliott may look like in tartan and kilt.
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Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد زمان
16 hours ago
what is tartan and kilt?
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Mark Elliott
7 hours ago
A tartan is a plaid square design in the fabric, which is worn on a skirt called a kilt, introduced by Gaelic speaking Scots, like the presidents mother, known also genetically to have red hair. Clans-families have there own tartan, the blue one being worn is of the Elliott clan. At first the word Scots meant those on the main island now Scotland which spoke the Gaelic, were called Scot. Those which left the region of where the Scot was spoken like to France, may acquired the name Scot(t), because they were from the region of the Scot and did not upon leaving have a surname. This concept may also work in the Arabic language. Begin to note that Arabic utilizes a lot of place naming in the names. A lot of Anglo-English names end in -ton, -town, -ham, and so on came from places. This helps quite a bit in the family history, especially along with matching DNA. Example of Clan Elliot tartan-plaid ترتان https://www.scotclans.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/elliot_mod_big.jpg
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Adrian Heathcote15 hours ago
Mark Elliott — you are haplogroup R and I am not sure why you are posting over and over again in this group. Would you mind taking yourself OUT of the group and posting your surname theories somewhere else. Your idea — to the extent that I can make any sense at all of it — is that there was some emigration of J2 from Arabia to the Borders of Scotland. This is so ridiculous it doesn’t deserve discussion — but if you disagree then it would still be best if you propagated your theories somewhere else and to a different audience. ADMIN.
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Glen Foster
10 hours ago
Mark Elliot could be wrong in some of his ideas, but he is trying to help others.
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Mark Elliott
8 hours ago
Glen, Of the Scottish Middle March Families of granddad exiled from both kingdoms in 1607. Gorrenberry Tower was torn down and family exterminate. DNA shows genocide. An American and do not claim any kingdoms of the United Kingdom, it’s flag the Union-Jack is that of reiver history genocide. There is a whole history of use reivers, including Walter Scott. Both Walter Scot and James VI of Scotland a protestant were of the Scottish dialect but wrote in English. When James VI of Scotland became James I of England he had the King James version of the bible written in English not Scots. Then he went about his policy of exile and extermination of reivers. That’s why you find them today both sides of the Brexit-EU in County Fermanagh, we married the Irish, on the Scottish Borders Middle March family; Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon and Crozier, on the EU/Brexit border top five are considered family; Maguire, Johnston, Armstrong, McManus, and Elliott. Maguire is a form of McGuire which is on your list. Need to give example; with Maguire and McGuire. Both Maguire and McGuire are similar sounding names. Using localities in today’s UK, the name-DNA branched on part to Ireland where the name adopted the Gaelic spelling of Mag-Uidhir (pres mom Scots-Gaelic), then Anglicize to Maguire, in the locality of County Mag-Uidhir then Maguire then Fermanagh. The other north to where the Foster are on the Scottish Border became the name MacGuire, then when it migrated to Co Fermanagh, Ulster Ireland it became the name McGuire, and found on your list with your Foster J-M172 Y-DNA. The rewrite of the history which does not match the Y-DNA and that makes me totally incorrect. With genealogy-family history one does not get anywhere unless they do it reiver style by pitching in like Peter Kifle has done. Most people when they pitch in will look totally incorrect. This is how one gets it correct; THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST. Not a rule but if you do not follow it one can not get the overall family history correct. Inconsistencies seem to work themselves out. Can not do the genealogy, without especially in this group people pitching in, but that goes for everyone and no one should be singled out especially the administrators, which will pitch in as see fit when the time comes. Now we are at the root and leaves we have a lot in between to deal with. This group is in the language of English, and our lines have evolved in the language longer than others, so will have to give examples that are really quite foreign to those which a lot more recently came into this language.
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Mark Elliott
8 hours ago
Did find; Gebru Kifle (~1800-18??) in Middle East project but an E-M35. It should be noted that projects map does include the Eritrea East Africa region.
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Peter KifleYesterday at 8:12am
Hi Every one. My name is Petros kifle from eritrea east Africa. My Haplogroup is J-M172. I don’t know even what does mean. can some one explain me the only thing that i have understand about this is my Paternal lineage is J-M 172.
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Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد زمان
16 hours ago
Google it, you find a lot of information about this Haplogroup 🙂
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Adrian Heathcote
15 hours ago
Peter — start here: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml
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Mark Elliott
9 hours ago
This Peter Kifle may be at the root of the tree, with the reivers out with the twigs and leaves.
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Glen FosterYesterday at 11:56am
May be a dumb question, but who were the J-M172s who came into England? I assume the ancient tribes of Britain and Scotland were not J-M172s. Did the J-M172s come from the Romans, the Saxons, the Normans or and Angles? Or a combination of these, or or some other group entirely. From what I have read on this page, it seems that some Romans may have been involved. I know they originated in the Arab world thousands of years before. Also, is J-M172 rare?
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Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد زمان
16 hours ago
it is not rare here in the middle east, J-M172 is very common here
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Adrian Heathcote
15 hours ago
Romans were involved, but they did not ”originate in the Arab world thousands of years before.” Romans, Normans and sundry emigrants from France, the Low Countries and Germany are likely contributors to the J2 in Britain.
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Mark ElliottYesterday at 12:34pm
Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد زما You’ll be surprise what us reivers can do, especially since we have some of that J-M172 Y-DNA which came from the land of the Arabs, all we have to figure out is how it got to Hadrian’s Wall.
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Jan Van Kort
Yesterday at 1:49pm
Reivers? Something out of a sci-fi movie? I was born a Little, autosomal dna traces me to a James Little and Jane Herron in Pennsylvania 1784, fresh immigrants from Ireland. Y-111 traces me to a Morgan Williams in the late 1400’s. Yet somehow I’ve got two Y ancestors in a gravesite in the Hebrides of about 100bc (might have to revisit that date) and another slightly earlier one in Sweden. So I just bought an upgrade to the y-111, the BIGY. There’s a story in there about how a Williams became a Little, I want to find it. Geography shows Hadrians wall is considerably to the south of the Hebrides and Sweden. The migrant map shows J-M172 came west long before there were countries with names we recognize today. (they came from the Caucasus area). Maybe long before names historians even know about, cities never written about, unknown countries, un-named kings. Ireland, Scotland, England has man-made construction as old as 15 thousand years, who built it? J-M172 seemed to move west with agriculture and tech, the oldest evidence of man in the UK is related to agriculture and roads. I think J-M172 came to the UK when man didn’t need a boat to cross the English channel. J-M172 also came with the Romans but I’m fairly certain it was already present.
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Mark Elliott
20 hours ago
List of Border Reiver Surnames A list of Border Reiver surnames from both sides of the border include: Anderson, Armstrong, Beattie, Bell, Blackadder, Bromfield, Burns, Carlisle, Carnaby, Carr, Carruthers, Charlton, Collingwood, Cranston, Craw, Croser, Crozier, Curwen,Dacre, Davison, Dixon, Dodd, Douglas, Dunn, Elliot, Fenwick, Forster, Gilchrist, Glendenning, Graham, Gray, Hall, Harden, Hedley, Henderson, Heron, Hetherington, Hodgson, Hume, Hunter, Irvine, Jamieson, Jardine, Johnstone, Kerr, Laidlaw, Latimer, Little, Lowther, Maxwell, Medford, Middlemass, Milburn, Mitford, Moffat, Musgrave, Nixon, Noble, Ogle, Oliver, Potts, Pringle, Radcliffe, Reed, Ridley, Robson, Routledge, Rowell, Rutherford, Salkeld, Scott, Selby, Shaftoe, Simpson, Stamper, Stapleton, Stokoe, Storey, Tailor, Tait, Thompson, Thomson, Trotter, Turnbull, Turner, Wake, Wilkinson, Wilson, Witherington, Yarrow, Young. https://englandsnortheast.co.uk/border-reivers/
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James Sprunger has a question!Yesterday at 4:50pm
“What is the next step to clarify ancestry if you have no Y-25 or Y-37 matches? Are there SNP tests that will help? ”
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Mark Elliott
24 hours ago
Sprunger surname seems to be concentrate in the Berner Jura District, Switzerland https://forebears.io/surnames/sprunger May want to look at some of your 12 marker exact matches and see if the come from Switzerland, or check with Google Maps to see whether they are place names out of Switzerland. Note; 107132 Daniel Roll b. 1700 (Bern, Switzerland) and d. aft J-Y12610 28627 Peter Roll b.c.1763 Uetendorf, Bern, Switzerland J-M172 390034 Jean Vidal, b. 1695-1715 Saint-Flour, Auvergne J-SK1313 345028 Ulrich Tüller b. 1619 Bern, Switzerland J-M172 Do you match a Roll, Vidal, or a Tüller. Feel Berne, Switzerland is a good bet for where you are from. Also Sprunger may be spelled Sprünger.
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Mark Elliott
Yesterday at 4:39pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Little_Klein_Cline_Kline?iframe=ycolorized Jan Van Kort, (‘van kort’ from ‘Little’, which is from ‘Liddel’) The name Little comes from the Liddel Water which is the boundary between England and Scotland and goes in to Liddesdale, dale of the Liddel. Eric Liddell of Scotland 1924 Olympics of ‘Chariots of Fire’, movie would have obtained his name from this region also. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Liddel+Water/@55.1649681,-2.9544687,10.81z/d Actually is a 29th Chief Margaret Eliott of Redheugh; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-clan-chief.mp4 Jan Van Kort, given the dispersion of J-M172 markers among the Little, what you said makes a lot of sense. Since they were of the region, the obtain their surname in an era a lot of R-L193 Little obtained theirs. Likely in the 14th century John de Liddel then the ‘de’ was dropped it became John Liddel, through phonetic spelling the Liddel evolve into the name of ‘Little’ you find of the region today.
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Glen FosterDecember 18 @ 5:00pm
Good evening – My name is Glen Foster. My family line is Foster/Forster. The family migrated to Pennsylvania in the early 1700s from Northern Ireland and many subsequently moved on to Ohio and then to Iowa and then to other locations in the western US. The family in Ireland seem to be part of the Ulster Scots who originally came from Scotland or from northern England. I am not 100% sure that all of my Foster ancestors came to the US by that route, some may have come from other parts of England. Are there any Fosters in this group? I received my Y111 test result today. My haplogroup is J-M172. Not sure why mine seems short compared to others. Is there something else that needs to be done, or I need to do? Do I need to do special testing for SNPs or is this still being done by FamilyTreeDNA? I ran this on the SNP tracker and it only covers the Paleo era and does not go beyond that. I have seen other go all the way to the Roman or Present era. Thanks for your help! 🙂 Kit No. 919766
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Lawrence Stickell
March 25 @ 9:33am
Glen, do you have a tree on Ancestry? Autologous DNA?
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Glen Foster
March 25 @ 11:46am
Lawrence – yes I have a tree on Ancestry – GRFoster242; Foster-Cottrell-Harris-Johnson tree,
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Glen Foster
April 3 @ 7:52am
Lawrence Stickell – What is your Member Name on Ancestry? I will look you up as well. Thanks Glen
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Glen Foster
Yesterday at 12:01pm
Lawrence Stickell – what is your ancestry member name and tree name?
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Mark Elliott
Yesterday at 10:02am
Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد زما You can purchase, mtDNA, but it is only good for exact matches as far as genealogy is concerned. Myself I had one, and no immediate family research with it. If you talk to others you match as you learn the genetics, they will not understand what you are saying. The Hunt(er) is my in-law. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/2216763?dpr=2&fit=max&h=319&w=590 related through the Crozier c1541, an the Foster/Forstar, witnessed a deed to land our Clan Elliot, 29th chief lives on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_(Elliot),_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg The people from the Arabic nations are quite supportive of DNA. The two companies, which incorporate one is strong in genealogy, and the other does not seem to know the first thing about it; THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST, and it is a shared experience among family. Both companies seem to be operated by those which think they may be the chosen people, but this group of J-M172 the Simpson, Foster, Hunt and so on, we are kind of not chosen people. Americans which lost their histories on the border of Scotland-England, and that of Ireland-Ulster, but a high proportion of American today. Old guys can get stuck biased on their own concepts in a short time. The Peoples of the British https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ Isles study by and international group of geneticists, taking auto-somal DNA from rural people of the British Isles, but it did not include surnames, and language other than English in the model. Though I know that the president likes to say he is American, his mother is Gaelic, of not the English language; https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-38648877 likely a lot of Arabs and Iranians have a stronger American history then he. If a model for J-M172 can be made on how to incorporated various languages going from the Middle East to Hadrian’s Wall, it can be model from going from the Middle East to India or Russia for instance. Travel the language and the J-M172 will travel with it.
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Mark Elliott
Yesterday at 1:58am
click right to open image in new tab https://j2-m172.info/links/cultural-history/ Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد زما
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Lloyd Hunt
April 19 @ 1:47pm
Ok I may have stumbled on a brilliant clue on my J-L70 Hunts. At first when I tested and found that our family tree had many unfortunate non J-L70 Hunts attached. So I backed off connecting all the ancient Hunts ascribed to our family – Sir Turgitus Hunt, But this is all a bit too convenient of course so at this site https://sites.google.com/site/fivegateways/alphabetical-index-h/hunt attributed to Armytage, G. J. (1870) The Visitation of the County of Rutland in the Year 1618-19, Taken by William Camden, Clarenceux King of Arms. London: Harleian Society. So we see below that the Hunt name actually comes in several generations later after de Stoke Now to our friend who earlier posted about the Wake family you will note they are there as well A1. Turgitus. B1. John, son of Turgitus. C1. William de Stoke. D1. Theobaldus de Stoke, Knight. E1. Gilbertus de Stoke, called The Forester, m. Mathilda, daughter and heiress of John Ridol, of Ramesthorpe and Ashley. F1. Thomas, son of Gilbert, m. a daughter of Sir Humphrey Stafford, Knight. F2. Turgitus de Stoke, kn. 20th Edward II, m. Alice, daughter of John Vessy. G1. William de Stoke, Rector of Ashley, called le Hunt, kn. 20 Edward II, m. ? a daughter of John Braybrook, Knight. G2. Henry de Stoke, kn. 10 Edward II, 19 Edward III, m. a daughter of John Bellers. H1. Turgitus le Hunt, m. a daughter of Sir John Wake, Knight. I1. Theobald le Hunt. But here is the actual fascinating part. In trying to deal with the Latin (any Latin scholars here?) I find this…. Panicum turgidum [1] is an old world clumping desert bunchgrass of the genus Panicum. It is a plant of arid regions across Africa and Asia, and has been introduced to other parts of the world…. It is common across the Sahara and Arabia, from Senegal to Pakistan, and known by a number of common names, most widely as Taman, tuman, or thaman in Egypt and Arabia; merkba or markouba in Mauritania and some Saharan Arabics; and afezu in Tamachek.[4] Other common names include guinchi (eastern Sahara) and du-ghasi (Somalia). It grows on sand dunes in hot, dry climates, and will also grow in latosols.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicum_turgidum So might the Turgitus mean desert which would seem to be absolutely brilliant.
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Mark Elliott
April 19 @ 2:58pm
“Turgitus le Hunt, m. a daughter of Sir John Wake, Knight.” https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Armitage-Hermitage-Y-DNA-linguistics-census.-place-name-map.jpg “Armytage, G. J. (1870)” https://archive.org/details/calendarofdocume02grea/page/298/mode/2up John Wake lands Nov 10, 1300 AD note; The Hermitage Castle was defended by the Elwald (ie Elliot). The ‘Ellot’, were brought down from Angus, after the Declaration of Abroath 1320, which established the lands of the Kingdom of Scotland, and the Hermitage Castle of the Douglas Earls of Angus.
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Lloyd Hunt
April 19 @ 3:13pm
Very interesting – so you know what my theory is that their may have been a bit of a social milieu among J’s at this time. I believe some Vesseys (variant spelling), Wakes and who knows how many others
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Mark Elliott
April 19 @ 3:38pm
There is kind of a split in the way the J-M172 comes into the UK, one way is the Aliot of Southern France then becoming ‘Eliot’ southwest England, the Britons another way is Anglo for south Denmark-north Germany ‘Elwald’ into East Anglia. My Y-DNA of a R-P312 splits and travels both directions, and I recognize there at this time was likely some J-M172 in the DNA add-mix.
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Mark Elliott
April 16 @ 6:23pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/foster?iframe=ycolorized Just picking up that mainly J-M172 (Graham J-M267) among the borderers called Reivers which lived between Kingdoms or Scotland and England. Foster is one of them. Johnstone is a place name from Johnstone, Scotland nearby were Armstrong. In County Fermanagh, Ulster Ireland, Johnston without ‘e’ is 2nd and Armstrong is third in surname size. Foster is a border name and found in Ireland. Foster in County Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland among the 1. Maguire, 2. Johnston, 3. Armstrong, 4. McManus, and 5. Elliott it is most concentrated.
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Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد زمان
April 17 @ 2:58am
You wrote in Arabic 😁 i wish Ahmed Al Haddad will help.
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Glen Foster
April 17 @ 5:48am
Thanks again! 🙂
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Lloyd Hunt
April 19 @ 2:47pm
There was a theory that the original Foster Foerster was a in fact a forester. As an aside obviously not Y but my family tree – is teaming with the two
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Mark Elliott
April 19 @ 3:11pm
Lloyd Hunt, Not theory, the name Foster, Forrest is occupational, meaning Forester, my early name Elwald part stems from the German ‘wald’, meaning Forest. It strongly relates to Hunt(er), in arms are utilize the ‘hunting horn’. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/elk-head-and-antlers-Elwald-Hunters-and-Foresters-hunting-horn.jpg note; The ‘Horn of Ulf’, is kept in York. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13/mode/2up
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Mark ElliottApril 18 @ 10:24pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Richter Because J-M172 DNA has been around a long time, it seems to be among other Y-DNA groupings in migration, this is a example of a block group which are related. Most of Germany, most likely Saxony, with the name Richter occupational for judge. The Carson because closeness of Y-DNA is related, like from Anglo-Saxon migration into England then out at Ulster, Ireland. It seems like a lot of the J-M172 are of the borders and migrated so. To block out name sets with this diverse group, it takes a knowledge of the language of these particular groups, which I do not have but hopefully others can blog out Y-DNA of family groupings they would have a knowledge of. This is a community south of where I live called Zuñi, which has been here before Europeans, and were attacked by Coronado in 1540. Have a Speckle Egg story, about two groups picking from two eggs, and the Zuñi choosing first the speckle one they ended up with crow, and stayed in their region at Zuñi, the other ended up with parrot and went south. Zuñi of the Q-DNA which went into South America. If the people of Zuñi traveled south, the way to find them is to bring a Zuñi and see if they can find people speaking a similar language. DNA travels with language. This group has many people of many languages which could help travel the language and the surnames, to find the migrations of the J-M172 DNA.
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Glen Foster
April 19 @ 1:57pm
My wife’s grandmother was a Carson. So her location in the Cavan/Ulster matches my wife’s mother and father (McManus/Leonard). location Map matches our records and knowledge – https://named.publicprofiler.org/ . Another puzzle piece.
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Mark Elliott
April 19 @ 1:54pm
https://forebears.io/surnames/hayes http://www.jmhartley.com/HBlog/category/heading/ydna/ There are names which migrate to Hardrian’s Wall which carry the J-M172, though they may be written in various languages, the phonetics sound could likely show similarities. The above though for the rare R-P312 in my region which I’m of can be applied to the rare J-M172 in the region also. The family name which was used in the above in Lentz, the name from the Middle East is Hayes, and the matching are shown in the charts. It helps to have Amer عامر أحمد محمد علي محمد in the group because he knows both the Arabic, and the English, he should be able to recognize surname similarities, though the patterns in which they are used; a different the elements should show similarities. After all he knows I can’t handle the Arabic. Hay in Arabic القش straw. Though https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ is an excellent genetic project, done by an international staff, utilizing auto-somal regional DNA, it did not have to contend with language, because it only dealt with the DNA, not the surname.
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Mark Elliott
April 19 @ 8:30am
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Jan Van Kort has a question!April 8 @ 8:13am
“where do I find the glossary of terms used? ”
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Phillip Hunt
April 14 @ 7:34pm
Jan – go to HOME, bottom of page, LEARNING CENTER, then GLOSSARY
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Jan Van Kort
April 15 @ 1:25am
thank you
A Hawick Word Book-Douglas Scott.pdf (ubc.ca)
Genetics & Genomic Medicine Service – Brigham and Women’s Hospital (brighamandwomens.org)
File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald (Elliot), Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg – Wikipedia
William Elwald-Elliot-Elliott manages land in deed, and as landlord his descendant William Elwald-Ellot-Elliott land holder of Gorrenberry is in on the rescue with Scot(t), Armstrong, and Bell of a Kinmont Willie Armstrong. Do not forget the Bigham (big house) not Brigham (bridge house). Do not let anyone know this but those Grahams, which us Armstrong and Elliott would never marry, like the above it shows the Irving would were in on the rescue.
One does not get to choose their cousins.
The family Buie – Scotland to North America PDF
A Vermont Moose Visits Paris in 1787
Durham NH Archives – New England Historical Society
Семья Армстронга, Эллиота, Никсона и Крозье родом с шотландской границы.
Когда Никсон разговаривал с Армстронгом на Луне, они имели в виду мир.
H27a: found in Ireland, northern Germany, Sweden, Finland and northern Russia
FTDNA Kit # 101829 mtDNA genealogy of the mother’s mothers line;
mom; Alma Anne Barna Elliott 31 Jul 1925 – 22 Oct 1917
grandma; Joanna Teresa ‘Josephine’ Ryan Barna 12 Sep 1884 9 Apr 1939
great gandrandma; Anne Murphy Ryan 6 May 1850 4 Jun 1933
great great grandma; Julia J Smith Murphy b Abt 1822-1897
great great great grandma; Pauline Croak Smith b Abt 1798
FTDNA mtDNA located most distant relative MDR at Dublin, Ireland.
…..tested the Y-chromosomal DNA and mitochondrial DNA of the exhumed remains of the Renaissance astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus. They established that he belonged to mt-haplogroup H27 (defined by the mutations 16129A and 16316G).
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml
FTDNA Kit # 101829 mtDNA RESULTS; Haplogroup – H27a rCRS Values;
HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS 16093C, 16129A, 16316G, 16519C, and
HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS 263G, 315.1C.
569 positions in HVR1, and 475 positions in HVR2 REFERENCE SEQUENCE, showing that I’m related to Niclolaus Copernicus. Since tested through FTDNA; Kit # 101829 the mtDNA results are easily verifiable, and readily available. This is unlike my Yseq # 4069 of SNP, which FTDNA excludes. May be they do not want improprieties to show up in the testing. If this is the case then not allowing Yseq transfers, brings into question the level of accuracy in the FTDNA SNP testing.
Born with what you have, and I can not help being mtDNA X-DNA, Irish and Finnish on my mother’s side that is.
Realized this with Y-DNA branch point of Daniel Elliot, being a refugee of the Trials of Salem Village, Massachusetts. If you tell people that the sun is at the center (not this time the Oxford spelling “centre”, I go by the Webster spelling of “center”) of the solar system, they do not want to believe you.
5/14/2018 MSE
Anglo-Saxons in Eastern Europe (v-stetsyuk.name)
The Border Reivers – The Curse BBC – Cumbria Features
The ‘Scots Irish’ E-M35 DNA Marker (April 2023) | Scottish Origenes: scottish ancestry, scottish genealogy, scottish clan map
Genealogy Garage: Scottish Prisoners of War YouTube LA Public Library May 15, 2021
Gorrenberry – Posts
Posts – Elwald
Brigham This is the Place’ genealogy with DNA applied – Gorrenberry
Barbadian Banishment: The forgotten Irish of the world’s newest republic – The Irish Times
ACT OF THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT 1587 (clanthompson.org)
* Middle March
* Elliotts
* Armstrongs
* Nicksons
* Crosiers
* West March
* Scotts of Ewesdale
* Batesons
* Littles
* Thomsons
* Glendinnings
* Irvings
* Bells
* Carruthers
* Grahams
* Johnstons
* Jardines
* Moffats
* Latimers
17 Clans
Guy Hewitt: Barbados remembers Scots heritage on St Andrew’s Day (scotsman.com)
Uncategorized – Clan Crozier
70 maps that explain America – Vox
POW Hamiltonian Scottish Royalist, were indentured slaves to the Cromwellian Puritans, that is why the West Indies is not Presbyterian, but (Alexander) Hamiltonian Anglican Royalists. The Armstrong an Elliott of Co. Maguire (Co. Fermangh), married into the Irish, then the Africans of the West Indies. The surname Crozier has Anglican – Catholic influence, which are my in-laws. Rev. Parris, of a Puritan Barbados Plantation family. His Caribbean Indian slaves left testimony in the Salem Witch Trials. Daniel Elliott was most likely half Natick Praying Indian of Rev. John Eliot, Eliot Hall, Harvard, married to the Cloyse-Littlefield line of Wells, Maine. Son, Daniel at time of testimony March 30, 1692 Daniel and Hannah (Anna Elliott), son Daniel would be a quarter Natick.
The Armstrong and Elliott of Co. Fermangh (Maguire) have tribal tendencies. The Elliot’s 29th chief is Margaret of Redheugh, Scotland just south in Copeshaw-Holme (Newcastleton) of the Hermitage Castle. The Puritan Cromwellian sold us as slaves because we would inter marry and spread around the world. When Maxwell sided with England the Graham, the Armstrong, and Elliot and others sided with the Johnstone. Like to see what will happen to the EDF and Muirhall if they side with England, and Family Tree DNA if they side with the Union-Jack, trying to preserve my family’s history around the Hermitage Castle. and for both sides of the border to be of one entity. If both sides can not be European Union, then they need to be the Irish of Saint Patrick which chased those Tory snakes out of Ireland, like my ancestors chased them out of America. No border in Ireland dividing the Maguire, Johnston, Armstrong, McManus, or Elliott. There are enough things which break-up families we certainly do not need a border in Ireland.
Sincerely, Mark Stephen Elliott
边界会导致家庭争斗。
Mapping of Ulster-Scots (ulsterscotsacademy.com)
FTDNA Greenspan – Elwald
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch
Shadrack Kiptoo Biwott – Wikipedia
Chronicles of the Armstrongs; : Armstrong, James Lewis : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
google.com – search: GENEALOGY GARAGE Scottish Prisoners of War
Dunbar Castle & Mary, Queen of Scots (marie-stuart.co.uk)
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the … – Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
Robert Bruce Armstrong — the Irish and the Highland Harps (wirestrungharp.com)
Chronicles of the Armstrongs; : Armstrong, James Lewis : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Re: Elliotts of County Donegal – Genealogy.com
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the … – Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
Robert Bruce Armstrong — the Irish and the Highland Harps (wirestrungharp.com)
1545-1569 – Scotland. Privy Council – Google Books
named – Map your surname across the UK (publicprofiler.org)
Search the Muster Rolls (therjhuntercollection.com)
FamilyTreeDNA – Irwin Clan Surname Project (updated)
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the … – Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
FTDNA-101829-autosomal-Y-DNA-mtDNA.jpg (1226×944) (elwald.com)
Eliot Surname Origin, Meaning & Last Name History (forebears.io)
Discover the Eliot family with Your Family History (your-family-history.com)
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the …– Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
Acts of Scottish Parliament 1587 (Clan Thompson) pdf
The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the … – Robert Bruce Armstrong – Google Books
Chronicles of the Armstrongs; : Armstrong, James Lewis : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Johnnie Armstrong (Roud 76; Child 169) (mainlynorfolk.info)
In the Ulster Muster Rolls of 1630; Tullykelter, Co Fermanagh, Ulster, names are Armstrong, Armestrong, Armestrang, Curruthers, Ellot, Rutledge, Johnston, Scot. Fought for Charles II, of Charleston, SC, Charlestown, MA, Charlestown, Nevis Island, West Indies, where Alexander Hamilton was born and today has a concentration of Elliott We married those Maguire, McManus, and McGovern, as we married the Grame-Graeme-Græme-Graham-Greene, though they do not want to admit it sometimes. Alexander Bell took Graham as a middle-name, granddad Mark Elliott denied Hammer as a middle name. Mark and Hammer where surnames of both his grandmothers. If my name was to follow suit it after my grandmothers it would have been, Spencer Ryan Elliott, but I was named after my grandfathers instead as Mark Stephen Elliott, dad Loren Spencer Elliott did accept his mother’s maiden name as a middle name. MSE 3-22-2024
The Annals of a Border Club (the Jedforest): And Biographical Notices of the … – George Tancred – Google Books
Fa ilk puir wife reivis her wob,
And all the lave,
Whatever they have:
The devil resave therefor his gob!
Discover the Green family with Your Family History (your-family-history.com)
Discover the Greene family with Your Family History (your-family-history.com)
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch
RUSH99LSE
477.Emma Ona [RUSH] ELLIOTT) [9] [261. Aaron 8, Benjamin 7, James 6,
Benjamin II 5, Wm. IV 4, Wm. III 3, Wm. II 2, Wm. I 1] born 17 Nov 1867 in
Rice Twp, Ringgold Co, IA, and died in Mt Ayr, IA, 1 Aug 1963. She married 10
Jul 1887 in the Methodist parsonage in Mt Ayr to Alamando Wilcox ELLIOTT
born 11 May 1865 in Avon, Fulton Co, IL. His parents were Rev. Sherburn
Alamando and Louisa Marie [Mark] ELLIOTT. `Al’ came to Iowa at the age of
three. His father was a pioneer Methodist circuit rider in southeast Iowa and
family moved frequently until moving to Rice Twp in 1871 to farm. His
grandfather, Rev. William F. Mark, was also a pioneer Methodist circuit rider
also serving in Illinois and Iowa with his last charge in Redding, Ringgold Co, IA.
After marriage, Emma and `Al’ settled on farm purchased in 1890 from his
father in Rice Twp where they lived until they moved to Mt Ayr in 1915. They
purchased in 1907 an additional 40 acres on the west side of this initial 80 acre
farm. This farm was rented to their oldest son, Mark, in 1915 and they retired
to Mt Ayr. They sold this farm in 1934 to this son. Their home in Mt. Ayr was
located at the present site if the Clearview Care Home for senior citizens.
Emma was the first resident of this fine center. They were active members of
the Methodist Church, having joined at Eureka east of Delphos, IA. `Al’ at five
feet eleven inches towered over his five-foot three-inch father. He detested the
name `Alamando’ and much preferred his friends to call him `Al’ or `A.W.’ He is
remembered for his fine sense of humor and cheerful disposition, always seeing
the bright side of everything. He enjoyed quoting poetry – generally ending by
giving credit to an author that may or may not have existed. He chewed
tobacco, always ‘saucered’ his coffee, and said `grace’ before every meal. The
`carom board’ was always readily available when the grandchildren arrived for
overnight stays. Alice, felt she gave these for nothing. The railroad
bordered the north edge of their lots with a trestle bridge crossing the street
bordering them on the east. They owned one automobile purchased new – a
1928 Whippet. Emma did the driving as `Al’s eyesight was very poor, having
lost an eye at the age of nine when a boyhood friend accidentally struck him
with an axe while watching him chop wood. Their house had a well located in
the east porch and a cave just east between house and garage. East of the
garage was the commonly referred to `two holer’ with that adjacent to a low
ceiling hen house with both covered with grape vines. They kept about a dozen
Rhode Island Red hens that produced very few eggs. She always had a jar full
of thick sugar cookies that really weren’t very good but she was a tremendous
grandma! They both enjoyed gardening and had many peach trees. Children of
Emma and `Al’;
800. i. Florence Modessa Elliott b. 9 Apr 1888 d. 9 Sep 1984
801. ii. Avis L. Elliott b. 5 Oct 1889 d. 30 Oct 1890
802. iii. Mark (nmn)3 Elliott b. 13 Mar 1891 d 30 Nov 1976
803. iv. Rees Wells Elliott b. 3 Feb 1893 d. 13 Mar 1919
804. v. Ethel L. Elliott b. 12 Aug 1894 d. 21 Jan 1899
3Mark was given the surnames of his two grandmothers – Mark & Hammer. He detested this combination and had
his name legally changed to “Mark” with no middle name. Suspect he was teased about his name as a kid. LSE.
805. vi. Hazel Bernice Elliott b. 22 Jul 1897 d. 14 Sep 1985
806. vii. Gladys Marie Elliott b. 30 Nov 1901 d. 15 Nov 1978
807. viii. Alice Marguerite Elliott b. 7 Nov 1907 d. 7 Jun 1984
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Loren-S-Elliott-Rush-Family-Research-documents.pdf
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/misc-Rush-family_1-30.pdf
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Rush-Virginia-Kentucky-Iowa.pdf
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/misc-Rush-family_31-60.pdf
https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Rush-Family.jpg
John Elwald of St. Andrews pdf
John & Robert Elwald of York Hexam pdf
Clan Crozier (electricscotland.com)
Family Tree DNA 的创始人贝内特·格林斯潘 (Bennett Greenspan) 在年轻时就对家谱学产生了浓厚的兴趣。对他的家族史来说更重要的是他从这些年长的亲戚那里获得的信息。家族史中最重要的是年长近亲的家族史。他们的 DNA 可以被采集和存储，但如果不像我父亲那样记录下来，他们的历史可能会丢失。
Guy Hewitt: Barbados remembers Scots heritage on St Andrew’s Day (scotsman.com)
Guy Hewitt – Wikipedia
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/elliott/links
and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot
For the Elliot and my father Loren Spencer Elliott: instead of;
https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot2.html could you please use;
https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot.html
Thank you
Mark Stephen Elliott
1/26/2024
Lidalia vel Lidisdalia regio, Lidisdail / Auct. Timotheo Pont. – Blaeu Atlas of Scotland, 1654 (nls.uk)
Scottish Poetry Selection – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me?
Chasing-my-Y-DNA-part-28